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Frazod 11-19-2017 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 13227263)
The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.

So what? Yes, the whole division is dogshit. We could finish 8-8 and still win the division, host a playoff game, and essentially be a bye-week for the No. 5 seed.

The season is over. This team is lost.

Chiefshrink 11-19-2017 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 13227264)
I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.

Well said! And I have said all along we lack talent in too many areas and we are just not the physical football team we used to be because we lack talent especially in the trenches. But at least in the 90s we had a pretty good defense we don’t have that even now.

Titty Meat 11-19-2017 06:24 PM

This thread sucks

mschiefs1984 11-19-2017 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13227300)
A real QB cleans up a lot of shitty coaching.

While true

No QB can clean up deciding your TE should throw a pass after you've tried having your WR throw a pass before shocker they both ended up the same way. You would think he would have learned

keg in kc 11-19-2017 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13227313)
You call him Andy Schottenheimer which says to me that you do think that there is a coaching problem. You also mention it goes deeper. I would like to hear what you mean by deeper.

Have we met? Me calling him Schottenheimer clearly indicates I believe there's a coaching problem. Marty was the worst. I've been saying that on this board for, what, 16 years now?

By deeper I mean personnel problems. You know, like I talked about in the post you quoted.

Anyway, I'm out. Up for work in 6 hours.

Red Dawg 11-19-2017 06:26 PM

So sick of seeing that Andy is the problem
Smith is the problem. Luckily we made a move and got Mahomes. Andy knows what Smith can and can't do. I'm pretty confident when Mahomes plays next season then offense will be more dangerous. Smith scares no one. Every damn game he whimps out and doesn't make then throws that win games or he misses on wide open guys. He is the problem. Alone.

mschiefs1984 11-19-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13227368)
So sick of seeing that Andy is the problem
Smith is the problem. Luckily we made a move and got Mahomes. Andy knows what Smith can and can't do. I'm pretty confident when Mahomes plays next season then offense will be more dangerous. Smith scares no one. Every damn game he whimps out and doesn't make then throws that win games or he misses on wide open guys. He is the problem. Alone.

Nope

Andy decides who the QB is. So no matter what the head coach is always partly to blame when you lose

Chief Roundup 11-19-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13227351)
Well said! And I have said all along we lack talent in too many areas and we are just not the physical football team we used to be because we lack talent especially in the trenches. But at least in the 90s we had a pretty good defense we don’t have that even now.

All teams lack talent in places. Yet they are able to out perform what we have been able to put out there. Coaches, good coaches find ways to mask those deficiencies. Something that we have not been able to do very well especially over the last 5 weeks.

Chief Roundup 11-19-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 13227365)
Have we met? Me calling him Schottenheimer clearly indicates I believe there's a coaching problem. Marty was the worst. I've been saying that on this board for, what, 16 years now?

By deeper I mean personnel problems. You know, like I talked about in the post you quoted.

Anyway, I'm out. Up for work in 6 hours.

Well when you start out your original post with "I tend to disagree" that meant that you didn't agree with my post that coaching was the problem. So that is why I didn't understand. Personnel, players, is more superficial than deeper problems

ping2000 11-19-2017 06:34 PM

Griefs just giving us our Christmas present early this year. Thanks ****ers!

Best22 11-19-2017 06:34 PM

The only reason I'm really rooting to win the division is so that our collapse isn't 100% embarrassing.

Also, I don't want Oakland or LAC to win anything or see any success at our expense.

Chief Roundup 11-19-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13227368)
So sick of seeing that Andy is the problem
Smith is the problem. Luckily we made a move and got Mahomes. Andy knows what Smith can and can't do. I'm pretty confident when Mahomes plays next season then offense will be more dangerous. Smith scares no one. Every damn game he whimps out and doesn't make then throws that win games or he misses on wide open guys. He is the problem. Alone.

Andy is responsible for all decisions here just like he was in Philly when they could not get it done either.

nkd 11-19-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13227283)
The Chiefs easily score on their first drive if Smith hits this throw.

https://i.imgur.com/mirOMl7.gif

Or this one.

https://i.imgur.com/4yne5tN.gif

Andy Reid is not an issue with our offense. He's NEVER had any offensive issues in the NFL for the most part. He's a ****ing LEGENDARY offensive coach. He has HALL OF FAME offensive credentials.

Until he ran into Alex Smith.

You are showing a couple of plays. Thats only one side of the truth. Both teams had issue with balls going to the ground. It was windy and he was throwing against his body. On the second gif you posted Alex was under pressure. The receiver is frickin turned the wrong way. He should be turning towards the middle of the field, meaning cut inside, he is in a awkward position. He had is guy beat all he had to do was run up straight and not towards the outside. why is he looking for the ball in that position. It was an easy throw had he cut inside when he had his guy beat because there was no safety either. I was scratching my head why he kept running to outside. However I do knock on Alex for the interception in the 4th quarter on his overthrow. Its not just Alex, they are playing bad as a unit. The offense line and run game is total trash now. I see guys with no dude to block. That's where it comes down to coaching, Andy has never been a guy who adjusts well to difficult situations. You come of having a week off and lose to the giants, something is clearly wrong with the team. Alex, coaches, the run game and the o-line and wide receivers all have to improve. You can be open but you still have to be in the right position. Like don't keep running to the outside when you have your guy beat, cut back in to increase your chances of completing that throw.

Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nkd (Post 13227421)
On the second gif you posted Alex was under pressure.

A bunch of ****ing lies. Go **** yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/ijHvQIV.gif

Fish 11-19-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nkd (Post 13227421)
You are showing a couple of plays. Thats only one side of the truth. Both teams had issue with balls going to the ground. It was windy and he was throwing against his body. On the second gif you posted Alex was under pressure. The receiver is frickin turned the wrong way. He should be turning towards the middle of the field, meaning cut inside, he is in a awkward position. He had is guy beat all he had to do was run up straight and not towards the outside. why is he looking for the ball in that position. It was an easy throw had he cut inside when he had his guy beat because there was no safety either. I was scratching my head why he kept running to outside. However I do knock on Alex for the interception in the 4th quarter on his overthrow. Its not just Alex, they are playing bad as a unit. The offense line and run game is total trash now. I see guys with no dude to block. That's where it comes down to coaching, Andy has never been a guy who adjusts well to difficult situations. You come of having a week off and lose to the giants, something is clearly wrong with the team. Alex, coaches, the run game and the o-line and wide receivers all have to improve. You can be open but you still have to be in the right position. Like don't keep running to the outside when you have your guy beat, cut back in to increase your chances of completing that throw.

Ummmm..... that's the route he was running.


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