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One thing is for certain, at least we have a Franchise QB, so with that monkey off our back, we can spend draft capital on other positions of need. We have a shitload of pics this year. Realistically, we are sitting pretty. :clap:

The only thing I disagree with is cutting Sorensen. He’s the player on Defense who showed up last night

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14060748)

The only thing I disagree with is cutting Sorensen. He’s the player on Defense who showed up last night

he's way too expensive.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14060716)

Well, I want Ben Bloom, LB coach of the Cowboys for DC. Hitchens previous position coach who had him playing well. Has experience in 3-4 and 4-3 fronts, previously was a pass rush coaching specialist. Has coached multiple position groups and is overshadowed a bit by Richards.

Switch to 4-3. (although you'll be in nickel mostly of course, as the rest of the league). Even front protects LB'ers a bit more. Hitchens, O'Daniel is your coverbacker, and FA/Draftee/Niemann(?)and Ragland in short yardage only. Speaks to LDE, play at a beefy/ fit 280. Kpass backs up at DE. Jones and Nnadi start at DT, Williams backs up. Houston plays RDE. (bull rush is mostly all he's got left anyway.) We lose some sack totals but would be better against the run with the added bulk up front.

Let Bailey walk. cut Sorensen. Let Nelson, Scandrick, Murray all walk.
Sign a 2nd tier CB to man Nelson's spot and compete with Tremon Smith, who still has a lot of upside and excellent speed. Ward, Fuller are decent talent.

Berry for surgery at 8am this morning.

sign a vet S; would love Landon Collins on a long term deal. Earl Thomas probably would be cheaper on a shorter deal. When/if Berry plays GREAT. Not banking on it. Watts/Lucas plus FA vet will be decent.

Tag and trade Ford for a 2nd or 3rd, whichever. he's too one dimensional and is a liability in the run game. Sacks are like INT's; it's the money stat but doesn't take the whole game into account. Use the money for a S, or CB.

with first 4 picks and whatever we get for Ford in the tag-n-trade (rds 1-3 we have a 1, 2 2nds, and a 3rd) draft best defensive player on the board. No reaches, no projects. We need help at all three levels. After draft, look for cheap FA's and June cuts to fill spots.

Mid rounds I draft OL.

I like most everything that you say. But I wouldn't be so quick to cut Sorenson. He's not a star by any means, but we could do worse. We saw that this year. Keep him until final cuts. Let him compete and if he's the odd man out, so be it. Not to mention, he was one of our best defenders last night. He was making plays all over the place. He's earned the chance to fight for his job in camp.

Also, you said let Bailey walk. I didn't realize that his contract was up. Still, I think that a one year deal to bring him to camp to compete would be okay too. Although I am pretty sure that he could be easily replaced. So either move would be good. I definitely wouldn't give him a long term deal.

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14060748)

The only thing I disagree with is cutting Sorensen. He’s the player on Defense who showed up last night

He has some skills, but his ability to read the opposing offense seems very suspect. He's often out of position. That said, he did have 2 good plays last night. Maybe he needs to have a more limited role, better coaching, or some combination of both. He has a $4.7M cap hit next year. He's stealing money at that number. ($2M dead cap money)

Sorenson was by far our best safety this year, and he played less than half the season.

We have far weaker links to replace than Sorenson.

If I'm choosing between him and Berry, I'll take the guy who's more likely to play next year.

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14060735)

No. I think that we would rather have someone that is willing to tackle and won't be a team cancer.

Well he cancered his way into a Super Bowl.

I think we need to clean house.

Only bring Houston back if he takes a significant pay cut. Otherwise, release him.

Don’t bring back Ford. The franchise number is way too high.

Get rid of Ragland if feasible. Not sure what that does to the cap.

Get rid of Bailey and Sorensen. Let Nelson walk. Try to talk Berry into retiring.

The only players I want back are Jones, Fuller (mainly because he’s so cheap), Ward, Lucas, Nnadi, DOD, and Hitchens (but only because we can’t cut him yet). I’m curious what Speaks may be if he can drop 30 lbs.

Try to draft and sign the rest of spots. Oh yeah, and fire Sutton.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14060716)

YOU SHUT YER WH..

NVM, that was very well written and I agree with most, if not all, of what you've said

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14060773)

Well he cancered his way into a Super Bowl.

Peters was ass most of the season. Especially w/o Talib. He had little to do with the Rams winning season. And he didn't have the final say about getting traded to the Rams. I hope he turns it around. He should, considering the supporting defensive cast he has.

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14060767)

Bailey's like $8m a year at the moment. Sorenson's like $4 or 5m. I don't have time to look it up right now, just trying to remember. It's not so much that they're awful as expensive.

They have to hit in the draft and FA period. There wont be much money and a shit load for a few players that should be gone.

The dam pats do it every stinking year. Every other team sucks at it.
Be nice to have some head hunters that can lower the boom every hit every time.
I for one would be playing to mame everyone i could to get to the SB bar none we dont have any players like that.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14060804)

Bailey's like $8m a year at the moment. Sorenson's like $4 or 5m. I don't have time to look it up right now, just trying to remember. It's not so much that they're awful as expensive.

Bailey is a FA now. He was $8M for 2018. Sorensen is about $4.7M for 2019 & $4.8M for 2020. Sorensen's dead cap $ for 2019 = $2M; 2020 = $1M.

I'd let the new DC make all the personnel decisions. Andy and Brett should defer unless it has a major cap impact. The time for favorites is over. No more defensive personnel decisions based on ego or personal relationships. Talent and performance need to be the driving force.

I've been thinking, the main thing the Chiefs need is a change of defensive philosophy. When a team like the Pats wants to grind out a 8 minute drive to start a game, you may as well just turn up the aggressiveness to 11. None of the bend don't break shit, either get a 3 and out or give up a TD in 2 minutes and let Pat have the ball.

Draft and sign ball hawk guys that are willing to take risks in coverage to complement this strategy. And know when to dial it down when you have a decent lead.

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14060850)

I've been thinking, the main thing the Chiefs need is a change of defensive philosophy. When a team like the Pats wants to grind out a 8 minute drive to start a game, you may as well just turn up the aggressiveness to 11. None of the bend don't break shit, either get a 3 and out or give up a TD in 2 minutes and let Pat have the ball.

Draft and sign ball hawk guys that are willing to take risks in coverage to complement this strategy. And know when to dial it down when you have a decent lead.

This is something a buddy of mine and I were talking about last night...we don't have one.

Also we can't take certain parts of our opponent's strengths like teams do against us. It's like we don't even focus on that.

It's literally like...what are we? We just line up and run the play given.