Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14446013)

I think you're reading too much into one game, DOD was slated as a good tackling, good coverage LB that we picked up right when we cut DJ, he wasn't known as a pass rusher and we didn't draft him to have anything to do with pass rush.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14445928)

I get part of being a great GM is being able to re-invent the wheel before everybody else gets a new wheel. If you're not inventing a trend, you damn well be in on the early stages or else you run the risk of fielding a team of largely unremarkable players that just can't seem to come together and be consistently successful.

But... good God, Brett. I'm glad you saw what you ****ed up on in 2018 and tended to make corrections in 2019, but what the HELL were you thinking with some of these picks?! Trading up in the 2nd round to take a DE that you originally wanted to move to rushbacker when most of his experience in high school and early college was as a NT? At least Dorian O'Daniel had some impressive speed and agility measurables that you hoped the coaches could work with.

That's fine if you want to draft athletes to play at different positions in the NFL. Take those guys in the mid to late rounds. For ****'s sake though... don't **** up your first three rounds by taking these tweeners who don't play one true position because they can just "play anywhere!" You STILL even in this day and age need good traditional LBs, DL, and DBs. Just ****ing take those guys with your first 3 rounds. Leave your pet projects be until much ****ing later.

And no, Mahomes doesn't count. Nobody ever thought Mahomes could or would play any other position in the NFL. He was a QB in college and he was going to be a QB in the NFL. You couldn't say the same for O'Daniel or Speaks.

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14446013)

I think you're reading too much into one game, DOD was slated as a good tackling, good coverage LB that we picked up right when we cut DJ, he wasn't known as a pass rusher and we didn't draft him to have anything to do with pass rush.

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 14446010)

Is that Boomer Grigsby and Jared Allen?

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14446147)

Is Dorian doing special teams? Lot's of guys who don't break into the starting lineup stay by doing well on special teams.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14446141)

He was lost in pass coverage last year and now he can’t even crack the two deep.

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14446192)

I agree, he had some good plays last year but he definitely looked lost at times. I'm not saying he's amazing coverage guy, I'm saying he was drafted in the hope he could be. He had plenty of PBUs and a couple INTs in college.

I mean, you have to remember as well if he was definitely going to be great he wouldn't have been there at pick 100.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14446199)

Like I said, it was only one game but to me, he looks like another guy that was drafted for what he might do, not what he actually could do. If Veach is going to be successful, he’s going to have to stop that. This year’s draft looked much better but last year’s draft looks like one of the worst in recent memory at this point.

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14446208)

Drafting for floors vs. ceilings is always an interesting debate. I'm happier taking guys who might have a higher ceiling the later the round is. Stick to high floor guys in the first 2 rounds, in my opinion.

I would also point out that we were trotting out Terrence Smith for meaningful snaps at this time last year, so the LB core looks a lot improved and the bank hasn't been broken. Seems like success by Veach, even if DOD is a bust in the end?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14446227)

I think it’s always a balancing act - ideally you want guys with both high floors and high ceilings but last year Veach seemed to be only focused on the latter. Watts has been injured, just like we thought he would be. Speaks has been played everywhere but where he actually has experience. O’Daniel is non-existent. Smith was actually a decent returner but since he has no further utility, he’s now gone. And then there’s Mackenzie.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14446306)

I should like to present a kind of "devil's advocate" idea ... and, in defense of my sanity, please be advised that I currently have Veach at Minus 394 (-394) in total Veach Power Points (and that includes Mahomes).

Here's the concept, though; when your choices at any given point in the draft (when you're on the clock) are limited to guys you may or may not absolutely love, doesn't it make sense to draft the best overall athlete? At least you can hope to develop the player as you get him into the system and exposed to good coaching (and training).

One of the things that "I think is true" about Veach is that he consults closely with the coaches as he works the draft and free agency. I also tend to think his relationship with Spaggyboots is better than his past relationship with Sutton (at least, that's my clear impression).

In the olden days, the Chiefs had a terrible record of developing players. Either a guy came in "ready to play" or "self-motivated" or they washed out. This happened over and over for years (decades, really). At this point, we have a coaching staff with an established track record of bringing guys along. Surely, that should be a consideration. You select an outstanding athlete and teach him how to maximize his gifts. Of course, it doesn't always work, but when your options (during the draft) are limited due to lack of draft capital, that kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

Of course, I'm no draftabulator.

FAX