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tredadda 12-02-2020 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15365049)
And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.
Probably has a lot to do with #15. When he scrambles he gets good chunks of yards and since he is such a threat to beat teams through the air opposing teams rarely stack the box to stop our run. They are more concerned with stopping the passing game.

htismaqe 12-02-2020 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15365219)
Probably has a lot to do with #15. When he scrambles he gets good chunks of yards and since he is such a threat to beat teams through the air opposing teams rarely stack the box to stop our run. They are more concerned with stopping the passing game.
That doesn't make the line any less effective. Very few teams in the NFL can run effectively against a stacked box.

crispystl 12-02-2020 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15365049)
And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.

Some of that is the Mahomes factor for sure.


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htismaqe 12-02-2020 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15365212)
Context matters though. Sure we've been able to run it at times. But it's not a secret we can't run it on 3rd and 1 or at the goalline.

The line is doing about as well as can be expected considering the limited resources spent there and the opt-outs, although I haven't been all that impressed with LDT for a while now so I'm not sure his presence helps all that much.

There are a number of needs going forward, and we don't need a 2003 Chiefs type OL, but if we can just somehow find the resources to turn the IOL into more of a strength I think it makes the offense that much more unstoppable. I was hopeful that the signing of Osemele earlier in the offseason was a sign that they might be pivoting more towards powerblocking types on the inside, but that may just be wishful thinking. An OL that can blow people off the ball in short yardage makes Mahomes and co. even more lethal.

And back to pass blocking, perhaps PFF grades account for this but Mahomes clearly covers for a lot of deficiencies in pass protection with his pocket presence and mobility. Put a less capable QB behind this OL and I think you see their pass protection grades plummet.
Of course context matters. And of course Mahomes makes everyone around him better.

However, I'm not sure why that's relevant. The reality is that we have Mahomes so the line is doing its job more often than not.

Chris Meck 12-02-2020 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15365231)
Of course context matters. And of course Mahomes makes everyone around him better.

However, I'm not sure why that's relevant. The reality is that we have Mahomes so the line is doing its job more often than not.
Well, I want to be really clear-

We're a defending Super Bowl Champion team that looks like a good bet to run it back.

Any and all weaknesses should be taken with a grain of salt.

BUT-

Mahomes' pocket awareness makes things look better than they are.

Wylie and Reiter are below average. Both are pretty damned lousy as run blockers, and real mediocre as pass blockers.

As we have the best player the game has maybe ever seen, I think investing some serious draft capital in keeping him healthy is really important going forward.

Yeah, we're probably good enough to win it again. My concern is that Patrick stay healthy.

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2020 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15365007)
Our run blocking sucks.
Yeah, it's too bad the run blocking sucks so bad because otherwise, the Chiefs would have the #1 scoring offense in the NFL.

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2020 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15365623)
BUT-

Mahomes' pocket awareness makes things look better than they are.
This is completely irrelevant.

If Mahomes didn't have such amazing pocket awareness, Andy's scheme would be very different.

Reid tailors his offense to his offensive weapons and QB, which we've seen time and time again since he arrived in 2013. The 2014 offense with Alex Smith was completely different than the 2017 offense with Alex Smith because that year, the Chiefs had a seasoned Kelce, a 2nd year receiver in Hill, an amazing complimentary running back in Kareem Hunt and so on.

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether or not the offensive line is filled with five 1st round draft choices or a mixture of UDFA's and draftees - Andy Reid will design an offense that's best suited to his personnel.

htismaqe 12-02-2020 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15365652)
This is completely irrelevant.

If Mahomes didn't have such amazing pocket awareness, Andy's scheme would be very different.

Reid tailors his offense to his offensive weapons and QB, which we've seen time and time again since he arrived in 2013. The 2014 offense with Alex Smith was completely different than the 2017 offense with Alex Smith because that year, the Chiefs had a seasoned Kelce, a 2nd year receiver in Hill, an amazing complimentary running back in Kareem Hunt and so on.

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether or not the offensive line is filled with five 1st round draft choices or a mixture of UDFA's and draftees - Andy Reid will design an offense that's best suited to his personnel.
Exactly.

Megatron96 12-02-2020 12:33 PM
Remmers has been a surprise. He has had some good performances against some good pass-rushers. Heck, I thought he'd get smoked by Crosby, but for the most part he held his own.

But the run-blocking has been up and down. Even in the same game. There are downs where Reiter and Wylie get destroyed, and others where they do a decent job. They're never great, but in some games they're serviceable.

Overall, I think they're playing just well enough to get us to the SB.

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2020 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15365744)
Overall, I think they're playing just well enough to get us to the SB.
LMAO

OKchiefs 12-02-2020 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15365652)
This is completely irrelevant.

If Mahomes didn't have such amazing pocket awareness, Andy's scheme would be very different.

Reid tailors his offense to his offensive weapons and QB, which we've seen time and time again since he arrived in 2013. The 2014 offense with Alex Smith was completely different than the 2017 offense with Alex Smith because that year, the Chiefs had a seasoned Kelce, a 2nd year receiver in Hill, an amazing complimentary running back in Kareem Hunt and so on.

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether or not the offensive line is filled with five 1st round draft choices or a mixture of UDFA's and draftees - Andy Reid will design an offense that's best suited to his personnel.
Just because things are going well, doesn't mean they always will. Mahomes' knee injury last year was a fluke, but his ankle injury could be attributed to the OL getting him hit a lot.

I don't think anyone is saying we want five 1st rounders on the OL. It's not a stretch to suggest maybe a bit more of an investment beyond UDFA or 6th/7th round picks would be helpful.

htismaqe 12-02-2020 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15365773)
Just because things are going well, doesn't mean they always will. Mahomes' knee injury last year was a fluke, but his ankle injury could be attributed to the OL getting him hit a lot.

I don't think anyone is saying we want five 1st rounders on the OL. It's not a stretch to suggest maybe a bit more of an investment beyond UDFA or 6th/7th round picks would be helpful.
They just took a guy in the 3rd.

OKchiefs 12-02-2020 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15365780)
They just took a guy in the 3rd.
And there are five positions, so I personally think more is eventually needed. It depends on what his long term position is, but if he's an eventual replacement for either Schwartz or Fisher that's probably at best a wash. That does nothing for the IOL. And if his long term position is at guard, well then Schwartz isn't long for this team most likely so a significant investment at RT is still a need.

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15365773)
Just because things are going well, doesn't mean they always will. Mahomes' knee injury last year was a fluke, but his ankle injury could be attributed to the OL getting him hit a lot.
You are absolutely obsessed with any position that you feel is understaffed or under-talented, despite the fact that the Chiefs are 19-1 in the past calendar year.

The Chiefs have the #1 offense in terms of yardage and the #2 offense in points at 31.6 points per game, just behind the #1 Packers at 31.7 points per game.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

mkp785 12-02-2020 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15365780)
They just took a guy in the 3rd.
Yeah. It'd be nice if he was actually playing so we could evaluate him. Is he gonna stay a tackle or moving inside when he decides to play I wonder?


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