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LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=337758)
I still think Saunders is a good player. We'll see if he can stay healthy and contribute, but the depth on the D-line may make him disappear.
I think he was drafted as a contingency if they were going to move on from Jones. He's not going to get that chance now. Nnadi's contract is coming due and he may be too expensive to re-sign, so Saunders may slide in there in two years. |
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He's so doing this at the end of each round of the draft. It's much, much harder to nail the draft when you are not blessed with Top 10 picks. |
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No, Mike Danna probably isn't a starter. Is he still valuable to the team? Hell yes he is. And Veach has hit on so many of those kinds of players in the back ends. That's all you can really ask for out of those rounds, because you do need those kinds of rotational players on any team. |
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The point of the thread is that the most expensive positions are the positions this draft is historically deep at and that aligns with our needs perfectly. I won’t be shocked if we draft a QB in this draft, either. Even backups get good $ and this is a super deep |
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He's made some really good value signings but people also forget the busts like Orlando Scandrick, Xavier Williams, David Amerson. Okafor was also paid a surprising amount of money to be a JAG. Splash FAs, am I forgetting someone: Watkins (average to bad?) Hitchens (bad) Mathieu (good) He has absolutely nailed some small trades like for Ward and Ogbah. The Alex Smith, Marcus Peters and Dee Ford trades were all good/fine but then I happen to think the Clark trade was a pretty bad trade. I'm probably forgetting some others because the transaction record is quite hard to search but trading he has done well at, with just the one blemish (although that being the largest trade). I will give him a lot of credit for retaining our stars, the timely extensions of Kelce, Mahomes, Jones etc is all good business. Typing all this out actually changes my mind slightly, I'd probably put him somewhere between above average and good, where as before I started typing this I would have said he was just "above average". Quote:
I also don't think he was drafted as a Jones replacement, he's not the same type of player. I agree Nnadi may be too expensive to re-sign after this year, unless Reed takes up 60% of the snaps this year and that cuts into Nnadi's value. Its definitely going to be tough for Saunders to get snaps this year also because of the Reed signig, so barring injuries giving Saunders a lot of playing time it would be surprising seeing Saunders get handed the starting job in 2022 if he hasn't got any significant snaps for 2 years, although I guess anything could happen. |
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Just about all of the bad ones were acquired during his first FULL year as Chiefs GM. Yes, I'm counting the 2018 free agency period prior to the 2018 draft, because that was the first time Veach was truly able to develop and carry out his own offseason plan from the beginning of a free agency period. The point is that Veach definitely had some **** ups, and I was absolutely one of his critics during that year. Since then, his record has been stellar, and he's clearly learned from his mistakes. Now he tends to trust his own draft board and will only trade up for players because he believes they're really good, not because he expects the talent pool at a position will dry up later down the line. He hasn't lost his aggressive free agency strategy, but now he exercises patience, and when he goes after and spends big on players, he does it because he believes them to be known quantities. He learned his lesson from Hitchens and Watkins, and when he wants to REALLY spend, he goes after and pays established studs, not guys with potential to be studs. First year? Yeah, he was rough. But with the way the Chiefs make moves with confidence these days, I don't think you can weight the first year all that heavily. He's put into place a plan that works, and it has a demonstrated record of success. |
And, I mean... come on. I know the Patrick Mahomes extension wasn't 100% him, but Veach led the team that got that thing done. And that deal is ****ing art, man. It's goddamn beautiful. It's not just another QB extension. It's layered and crafted and elegantly fulfills the needs of both player and team. It's flexible from year to year without being unstable. Hell, even brilliant armchair salary cap gurus don't quite understand all of it. It's a ****ing masterpiece.
When it got signed, yeah, NFL news was dry, but holy hell the media was talking about that thing for a good two weeks. And it scared the bajeezus out of other teams. Other NFL GMs looked at that thing scratching their heads like a bunch of shit-chucking apes, and if they had young franchise QBs who were due extensions in the next couple of years, they pooed themselves because they were worried their QBs would demand similar deals when their teams' contract structures weren't necessarily set up for success in that way. People admired it. They were pissed off by it. They were afraid of it. And they loved it. All simultaneously. He ain't average in all aspects. At his worst, he's probably average in some aspects of his job that fans never see. He has some misses here and there. But it beats the shit out of having a steady eddy guy like Chris Ballard who won't ever dare to put your team over the top. Or a guy like Dorsey who for some reason makes all the right moves when the team is shit, but when they find success can't seem to lead a front office team or work with his owners/head coaches. Or just about half the GMs out there who clearly have no clue what they're doing. Those guys are average. Veach is not. He's certainly a top 5 GM in the NFL, and I don't know how anybody could argue any other way. |
Before all this shit went down in Houston (and before O'Brien drew all his REALLY negative criticism by trading Hopkins) people were wondering how Watson and Mahomes were going to let their contracts play out, whether one guy was going to wait for the other one to make the first move so they could come out on top or vice versa, etc. And Dak at the time was in that weird negotiation standoff with the Cowboys, and he probably wanted to get his deal done last to raise his own value (or at least raise the price of the 2nd tag he might receive the next year).
The Mahomes deal comes out, and I'll bet agents and the teams just said, "Uhh... **** that. Thanks for nothing, Pat." It's a unicorn contract for a unicorn QB. It's absolute perfection. And we're the only ones with that kind of deal in place. Maybe other teams and QBs will copycat us. More than likely, they'll probably just stick to the same ol' 4-5 year extension formula. That gives us such a huge advantage. |
We've been to three AFC Championship games in a row and back to back Super Bowls. People saying Veach isn't doing his job are likely just miserable people looking to complain about something. Clearly we have forgotten everything about the tail end of Carl's time, Executive of the Decade's time, and John Dorsey who never quite understood the principles of the salary cap.
Veach is ****ing killing it for us, even if all of his drafted players aren't all-pro's by their second season. |
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Has anyone noticed that most of the bitchiest members are the most secretive and don't want any personal info on here, because if they were to be identified they'd be really embarrassed? |
Also, remember Fat Scott's first year? I'll take the Chiefs 2018 draft over the 2009 draft ANY day of the week. Don't forget: his offseason plan was to treat year one as an "evaluation year." Those were his own words.
I know he had less to work with on the team than either Veach or Dorsey, but that's a bunch of bullshit. Fitting that the mother****er can't find another GM job and is stuck being a guest on sports shows along with his butt buddy Mangina. Ex-Patriot leeches talking about the Patriot Way for life! |
Keep in mind that the Patriots have been below average at drafting and put together the greatest NFL run of all time.
They had HOF coach, HOF QB and killed value Free Agency. We have HOF coach, HOF QB, killing value Free Agency AND we are now drafting well. Just keep adding good players and we are going to win a lot more Super Bowls. Maybe Thornhill and Snead are the home runs we have been looking for as well. |
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Direkshun is right and I brought it up weeks ago in one of the threads in the draft forum. Veach built his segment of the team with trades, free agents, and mid to late-round role player draft picks. Dorsey hit on all the major studs in the draft and is the architect of what this offense is now. I like Veach, but he has yet to prove he is without fault. We have only seen modest returns to date on early draft capital. We'll see just how good 2020 was this year. None of his top 3 picks are exactly good or great players yet. Maybe they all will be, maybe none. If we look at the prior history, it's not as good as you'd hope for. This is the year KC absolutely needs to nail the first 2 days of the draft with a couple of pillar positions. Veach has yet to draft those guys. Perhaps it all starts coming together better. |
I think some of the Chiefs media heads have been way too tough on Veach’s recent drafts, personally.
If Thornhill doesn’t tear his ACL, he might have been a pro bowl quality player in 2020. I think that’s what he will become in 2021. The Hardman pick is what it is, they needed a speed replacement for Hill at the time. It turned out for the best even if the pick hasn’t been a homerun since we still have Tyreek. This 2020 draft class looks really strong and if Gay and Niang become quality starters, that’s an ‘A’ draft class for me. |
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I agree, that pick is a good one. Willie Gay hasn't proved to be anything yet. Hardman is a solid slot receiver that Veach spent a mid-2nd round pick on. I'm not real keen on that. He spent a 1st on a RB. These are premium picks spent on players you routinely get in the 3rd and 4th round as value. I give Veach a pass on OT. You don't expect two studs in this league to go down in the same year, with a year left on their contracts, and then find yourself looking to replace them. He was proactive at RT by getting a value in Niang we hope works and I think he'll be good there. He had the ability to get some other guys though at more obvious spots to use premium picks like DE, CB, and WR. Good thing he hit on Sneed or things would be looking quite bad for the future at just about every important position on the team. Now, he can fill some of that with mid-level free agents and we'll come out winning but that's not the ideal sustainable philosophy as Pat gets more expensive. |
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