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Otter 04-05-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallymo (Post 15615862)
I've mostly given up on Hardman being anything but a third receiver. He doesn't seem to get the offense, struggles to mentally connect with Jesus, and gives up on plays. He's a miss as a second round pick.

But Thornhill got hurt. Before that, he was on a star trajectory. With more time to heal, I think we will begin to see the best of him next season.

This

ChiefBlueCFC 04-05-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15615929)
It was a weak draft overall after the first round.

The draft might not have been deep, but we swung and missed on nearly everyone of them. Especially trading up and taking Breeland Speaks; that was brutal.

Direckshun 04-05-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 15615871)
The graph seems to suggest that we have quality depth that allows our rookies time to develop rather needing them to be day 1 contributors.....

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Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15615878)
That 2018 draft was absolutely killer and not in a good way

I think both of these are true.

Oddly enough, I thought our rookies gave us a huge boost in 2020 and played a ton of snaps.

Chief Roundup 04-05-2021 11:42 AM

CEH has been Veach's only first-round pick. I would say that makes a big difference.

Skyy God 04-05-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15615793)
I dunno, when I look at the teams in the UL it appears to be good teams who don't have alot of open snaps for young players.

This all day.

Burt's draftees would have more snaps if the team wasn't loaded.

Also Mahomes redshirted in 2017.

htismaqe 04-05-2021 12:06 PM

Top Half - playoff teams
Bottom Half - not playoff teams

Coincidence?

O.city 04-05-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15616011)
Top Half - playoff teams
Bottom Half - not playoff teams

Coincidence?

Well, yeah, that axis is wins.

htismaqe 04-05-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15616015)
Well, yeah, that axis is wins.

:D

staylor26 04-05-2021 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 15615819)
We're nailing our early round picks but day 3 of the draft hasn't been kind to us.

We literally just got a top 15 talent in the 4th last year...

smithandrew051 04-05-2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15616027)
We literally just got a top 15 talent in the 4th last year...

Fenton and Allegretti were 6th round picks the previous year as well. Not stars, but great value where they were picked.

Hydrae 04-05-2021 12:37 PM

Add in Andy's penchant for not trusting rookies.

ThaVirus 04-05-2021 12:42 PM

I wouldn't place much stock in that graph, but we do need to draft (or develop) a bit better moving forward. We haven't drafted an elite guy since 2017. It appears Sneed has that potential, but it's too early to tell.

We'll need the next wave of Chris Jones, Tyreek Hills and Patrick Mahomes if we want to keep this thing running.

O.city 04-05-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15616095)
I wouldn't place much stock in that graph, but we do need to draft (or develop) a bit better moving forward. We haven't drafted an elite guy since 2017. It appears Sneed has that potential, but it's too early to tell.

We'll need the next wave of Chris Jones, Tyreek Hills and Patrick Mahomes if we want to keep this thing running.

While true, we need to look at where the Chiefs are drafting. To get elite guys at those positions, they're probably gonna have to take some time to develop.

So you've got guys like Thornhill and Sneed and (insert player) that could just take time to develop to that elite level.

The day one elite players just aren't gonna be something that happens very often considering the Chiefs draft spots.

louie aguiar 04-05-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15615954)
The draft might not have been deep, but we swung and missed on nearly everyone of them. Especially trading up and taking Breeland Speaks; that was brutal.

I never understood the Speaks pick. I kinda get picking Kpass because of his enormous physical potential. Speaks, though, always looked slow and pudgy. He didn't look the part and he certainly didn't play the part.

Veach traded up three times in the 2018 draft and each was pretty bad.

We traded picks 54 and 78 to the Bengals for picks 46 (Speaks) 100 (DOD). The Bengals turned pick 54 into Jessie Bates who is a real good young safety.

We traded picks 86 and 122 to Baltimore to get Derrick Nnadi at pick 75. Nnadi wasn't a bad pick - he's a good run-stuffing lineman. Baltimore, though, used the picks on Mark Andrews and Kenny Young. Andrews is a stud and Young is a decent LB who now plays for the Rams.

We traded picks 233 and 243 to the Pats for pick 198 to get Kahlil McKenzie. Pick 233 was traded to the Eagles and they used it to pick Jordan Mailata. I know the Eagles really like Mailata and I've heard he may be the Eagles LT of the future.

Hindsight is 20/20 and no team makes the right choices with each pick. His 2019 draft was better and 2020 has the potential to be an excellent class.

Wilson8 04-05-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 15616189)
I never understood the Speaks pick. I kinda get picking Kpass because of his enormous physical potential. Speaks, though, always looked slow and pudgy. He didn't look the part and he certainly didn't play the part.

We are still paying for Breeland Speaks. Chiefs still have $629,184 of dead money on their books for him.

Hopefully we learned from that draft.


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