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Pasta Little Brioni 10-11-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15887373)
I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

Not with this defense...

Hammock Parties 10-11-2021 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 15887390)
I think he has an inury to his shoulder that is being hidden.

Total garbage. He just threw a ball 55 yards off his back foot last week.

Chiefs fan is a real dumbass today.

KCUnited 10-11-2021 09:31 AM

Everyone on offense looks super tight and rigid.

A common theme on offense during the SB runs was the obvious fun they were having. Now they look like stressed out grown up with real jobs.

Bearcat 10-11-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15887349)
It's tough to know what's going on, but there's no question he's regressed a bit this year. He's had rough games in past years, but then he always would find a way to pull it together in the end.

Last night, he looked off all night. There were at least a half dozen throws that were there that he either sailed or planted in the dirt.

The D sucks, no doubt. But they DO tend to pull it together for a few drives each game. Normally, we'd expect the offense to take advantage of those. This year, we're just not.

Yeah, wasn't sure what to think about it... a few times it looked like he was extremely frustrated and basically throwing it away, and a few other times they were just terrible throws.

And then on top of that, the "yeah, it's just not your night" kind of things like the defensive lineman interception, a couple of balls going through Tyreek's hands and of course the pick 6, etc.

comochiefsfan 10-11-2021 09:44 AM

We need to be able to run the ball.

CEH is one of the biggest wastes of a draft pick I can ever remember. Darrel Williams can do everything he does and honestly he can do it better.

Allen outplayed Mahomes, yes. But he had all day to throw and guys running wide open all over the field.

We aren't able to scheme anybody open anymore. I remember when analysts would marvel about how we seemingly had guys running wide open all over the place. Last night Buffalo looked like we used to look.

Now? No one respects our run game and teams are routinely dropping seven or sometimes even eight into coverage.

I don't care how good Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are. You can't throw the ball when there's 8 in coverage. You HAVE to be able to run the ball to keep defenses honest.

We can't and it makes us easy to defend.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-11-2021 10:11 AM

The criticism of Mahomes seems way overboard. He was off on several throws but it's not the first time that's ever happened. I'm guessing the rain had something to do with it.

I remember when a "terrible" game for a QB was 120 yards. If 333 total yards with two TDs and a couple unlucky picks is the worst case scenario, I'll take it.

The offense will be absolutely fine. They just need to make some changes on defense and get key players healthy.

DRM08 10-11-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15887506)
We need to be able to run the ball.

CEH is one of the biggest wastes of a draft pick I can ever remember. Darrel Williams can do everything he does and honestly he can do it better.

Allen outplayed Mahomes, yes. But he had all day to throw and guys running wide open all over the field.

We aren't able to scheme anybody open anymore. I remember when analysts would marvel about how we seemingly had guys running wide open all over the place. Last night Buffalo looked like we used to look.

Now? No one respects our run game and teams are routinely dropping seven or sometimes even eight into coverage.

I don't care how good Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are. You can't throw the ball when there's 8 in coverage. You HAVE to be able to run the ball to keep defenses honest.

We can't and it makes us easy to defend.

A 3rd option in the receiving game would make a big difference, even with a poor running game. We can only hope Josh Gordon is that #3 option. The other WR's cannot get the job done.

Why Not? 10-11-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15887373)
I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

This. A lot of the fan base and certainly some of the media started to hype up this idiotic “can Mahomes catch Brady” narrative in regards to SB wins. Winning even one SB is an accomplishment that few achieve. Winning two is incredible. Anything more is next level unreal. Rodgers is probably the most gifted thrower of the ball I’ve ever seen. Unless you think he’s winning another one within the next couple of years (I don’t think so), he’ll finish with one. A few years ago, with the Legion of Doom and all, it was easy to think Wilson would win multiple SB. Now, he looks like the 3rd best QB in his own division.

Like it or not, what Brady has done will not be replicated. Not in our lifetime. It’s DiMaggio hitting streak level of protected.

notorious 10-11-2021 10:19 AM

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

louie aguiar 10-11-2021 10:23 AM

Except Rodgers is a douche and a shitty leader. Mahomes is none of those things.

kcclone 10-11-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15887601)
Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.


This is a far more likely scenario than Brady & the Patriots.

Rogers-Packers, or Wilson-Seahawks is far more likely.

That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

SupDock 10-11-2021 10:27 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since the Chiefs Week 10 bye last season, Patrick Mahomes has thrown 13 INTs in 14 games.</p>&mdash; Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1447409642468950016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DaFace 10-11-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 15887620)
That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

I think it's easy to forget how much the NFL stacks the odds against successful teams. If you are absolutely fantastic at drafting, you might be able to keep it going, but constantly drafting low eventually means you have to pay more in free agency, which means you can't keep your best guys. Add to that the scheduling structure that puts us up against three other division winners that no other AFCW teams have to contend with (Bills, Packers, and Titans), and it's just really tough to keep it going.

Brady is 1) insanely good and 2) the beneficiary of playing in a truly horrific division for most of his career.

Hammock Parties 10-11-2021 10:34 AM

Why is everyone named Clay a douche

493rd 10-11-2021 10:53 AM

Mahomes is great and has accomplished things in his first few years that most will never sniff. But, the media anointed him as the Michael Jordan of the NFL far too soon. Coupled with the pressure of having to carry a horrendous defense week in and out, perhaps he’s struggling a bit mentally which in-turn is affecting his game. It’s gotta be extremely difficult to live up to the hype every week. Good thing the media is onto slobbering over Herbert and Allen now. Maybe it’ll allow Pat to get back on track.

One other thing; the flashy crap like no-look passes needs to go. Mahomes needs to focus on his footwork, pocket presence, and better decision making. Back to X’s and O’s and I’m confident Reid will help get him there.


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