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The Franchise 10-13-2021 09:05 AM

When Veach traded for Clark….I’m sure he was aware that Clark’s play would fall off a cliff AND that the cap would tank because of COVID. Just like I’m sure when he signed Reed this off-season, a move that EVERY talking head ****ing loved, he knew that he would basically be invisible.

Now did the DE get ignored? Yes. And that can be put on Veach’s shoulders. But people can stop acting like the stars underperforming are somehow on Veach because he knew it would happen and paid them anyways.

rabblerouser 10-13-2021 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15891835)
A bit revisionist, don't you think? We all thought we were headed back to the Super Bowl until a couple of weeks ago. One would think that clear errors by the FO would be more obvious in the offseason.

Who knew Reed was going to bust THIS bad?

Or that Thornhill would languish on the bench in favor of the stuck in molasses coverage skills of Sorensen?

Or that Jones on end would be such an abject failure that no one will admit and then refuse to move him back inside?

DaFace 10-13-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15891849)
Who knew Reed was going to bust THIS bad?

Or that Thornhill would languish on the bench in favor of the stuck in molasses coverage skills of Sorensen?

Or that Jones on end would be such an abject failure that no one will admit and then refuse to move him back inside?

No one. Which is why this article is dumb.

tredadda 10-13-2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15891839)
When Veach traded for Clark….I’m sure he was aware that Clark’s play would fall off a cliff AND that the cap would tank because of COVID. Just like I’m sure when he signed Reed this off-season, a move that EVERY talking head ****ing loved, he knew that he would basically be invisible.

Now did the DE get ignored? Yes. And that can be put on Veach’s shoulders. But people can stop acting like the stars underperforming are somehow on Veach because he knew it would happen and paid them anyways.

I have been saying this for a while. Thank you for re-highlighting these points

tredadda 10-13-2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15891853)
No one. Which is why this article is dumb.

It's a great article for the doom and gloom chicken littles who are determined to find anything to justify their position.

Coochie liquor 10-13-2021 10:29 AM

I think Reed would be much better with CJ back inside next to him.

jettio 10-13-2021 10:30 AM

Aside from injuries to key players, fans that think personnel is a bigger factor than scheme or execution are falling for the simplistic answer.

The fact is that the teams have prepared well for what the Chiefs are trying to do on offense and defense.

Chiefs need to dial back on the creative innovative BS and play more basic and play more physical.

Chiefs need to run more basic plays from traditional formations and hit the other team and stand up to them. The Bills played much more physical than the Chiefs and it was because Chiefs are relying too much on design and not playing basic physical football.

Chiefs need to have defensive guys healthy and on the field, but the personnel available is more than good enough to win it all. Chiefs just need to play harder and hit the other team harder than they get hit. That starts with running plays that depend on effort moreso than tricking the other team.

Andy Reid used to have a dozen plays a game for special situations and the Chiefs would win those dozen offensive plays on design before effort. Now Chiefs are trying to win almost all the plays on design before effort. Get back to playing hard and tough and have a dozen special plays.

DJ's left nut 10-13-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15891993)
I think Reed would be much better with CJ back inside next to him.

I typically prefer an inside/outside pairing if we can get it. Or an outside/outside.

It spreads the danger out a bit. If you have Jones/Reed out there, you can almost do a floating double where you have a C/G combo that will peel off if/when someone gets in trouble.

That's a lot harder to do when you've got someone on the edge and someone else in the middle or the other edge.

It's just a more varied way to attack.

ToxSocks 10-13-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15891817)
Sadly accurate article.

Brett Veach is running this franchise into the ground right in front of our eyes.

This shit is gonna look so funny in a few months. LMAO

lcarus 10-13-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15891818)
Bolton would be fortunate to have the kind of career Hitchens has had.

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Hammock Parties 10-13-2021 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15892005)
This shit is gonna look so funny in a few months. LMAO

I cannot believe the ****ing clowns counting us out around here after 2015 and 2019.

This team is led by forces of nature that have been through ALL of this shit before. The year we won the SB we lost two HORRIBLE games at home, consecutively.

They are not done. Not by a long shot.

Shoes 10-13-2021 10:48 AM

Hindsight is 20/20, this is a different situation than Green Bay for example where they largely have sat on their hands and chose not to give Rodgers weapons around him etc. Veach was aggressive and brought some players in and they haven't worked out (Jarran Reed) or they have regressed majorly (Clark). Pretty much the entirety of CP was praising Veach for his ability to overhaul the offensive line in one offseason.

I think the CEH draft pick looks particularly bad right now as CEH isn't as effective as we had hoped and it was a luxury pick at the time. Could really use another stud on defense with that selection. This is the first time the Chiefs have found themselves with some real adversity in regards to the overall talent on the roster. Seems like we got too many holes to fill right now particularly on the defensive side of the ball and I'm interested to see how the coaching staff and Veach respond.

rabblerouser 10-13-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 15891830)
I think the hardest thing to swallow about what is happening with the defense is that it is so mind boggling that they are this ****ing bad.

They are basically the same unit as last year. Who did we lose? Wilson? Tonah? That isn't changing much imo.

I think it's effort related, too. Like, guys just are flopping around out there, not much passion, just...I don't know. That attitude the defense had in 2019 is gone.

It's just gone.

rabblerouser 10-13-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15891993)
I think Reed would be much better with CJ back inside next to him.

They would RAPE FACES.

rabblerouser 10-13-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 15891996)
Aside from injuries to key players, fans that think personnel is a bigger factor than scheme or execution are falling for the simplistic answer.

The fact is that the teams have prepared well for what the Chiefs are trying to do on offense and defense.

Chiefs need to dial back on the creative innovative BS and play more basic and play more physical.

Chiefs need to run more basic plays from traditional formations and hit the other team and stand up to them. The Bills played much more physical than the Chiefs and it was because Chiefs are relying too much on design and not playing basic physical football.

Chiefs need to have defensive guys healthy and on the field, but the personnel available is more than good enough to win it all. Chiefs just need to play harder and hit the other team harder than they get hit. That starts with running plays that depend on effort moreso than tricking the other team.

Andy Reid used to have a dozen plays a game for special situations and the Chiefs would win those dozen offensive plays on design before effort. Now Chiefs are trying to win almost all the plays on design before effort. Get back to playing hard and tough and have a dozen special plays.

This sounds accurate.

Attitude. Beat your man.


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