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ARROW2 02-10-2022 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16139192)
At least he didn’t say it was rigged…


No NFL player is going to go on TV and say that even if true. He said what he was supposed to say and what any of us would say in that situation. Enjoy the "entertainment" on Sunday

BigRedChief 02-10-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 16139381)
Not sure how accurate this is:

Hardman was reportedly upset over a lack of targets, according to CBS Sports NFL lead field reporter Tracy Wolfson. At that point, Hill had nine targets to Hardman's three, and the latter expressed his frustration to members of the Kansas City Chiefs' coaching staff.

The film doesn’t lie. He does have a point. He was wide open on several plays with Mahomes looking his direction and he didn’t get the ball thrown his way.

Fishels 02-10-2022 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 16139543)
No NFL player is going to go on TV and say that even if true(except Antonio Brown) He said what he was supposed to say and what any of us would say in that situation. Enjoy the "entertainment" on Sunday

Fixed it for you

Flying High D 02-11-2022 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16139435)
Actually, Hardman was open quite a bit. He probably has a point here.

I get Patrick trusts Hill but if its not working, there was another WR open?

Didn’t seem to carry much weight in that game.

BigRedChief 03-08-2022 10:57 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>&mdash; Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 03-08-2022 10:59 PM

Just keep getting better Mecole. You finally proved down the stretch that you belong, just keep grinding.

BWillie 03-08-2022 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181433)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>&mdash; Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like a guy who isn't going to be too happy when we bring in a real WR2.

Sure-Oz 03-09-2022 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181433)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>— Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably should stay quiet. Dude should've feasted with them both getting the attention. His speed is the only reason he's still on the team

ChiefsFanatic 03-09-2022 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 16181502)
Probably should stay quiet. Dude should've feasted with them both getting the attention. His speed is the only reason he's still on the team

I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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TEX 03-09-2022 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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But that, in itself, will be big.

ChiefsFanatic 03-09-2022 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16181578)
But that, in itself, will be big.

I agree. But, anyone thinking that we are going to have a #2 with close to 1,000 yards is going to be unhappy.

Kelce is a first ballot HOF player and Hill is on the path to being a HOF player. Mahomes is going to continue to make them the focal point of the offense, because their level of talent and success.

At this point, there may only be a couple of receivers in the league that could pull targets away from them, and they are all #1 receivers.


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irafreak 03-09-2022 08:30 AM

I'd like andy to find another Kareem hunt and use him. I think that would be more productive than a high paid #2. Takes pressure off mahomes as well.

OKchiefs 03-09-2022 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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If a gadget receiver like Hardman can get nearly 700 yards, why would a legitimate #2 receiver not be able to get more than that? 800-900 doesn’t seem like a huge stretch.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16181436)
Just keep getting better Mecole. You finally proved down the stretch that you belong, just keep grinding.

Yup.

Hardman was a genuine asset over the last 1/3 of the season and into the playoffs. Part of it was Reid giving up on making him a true X and part of it was Hardman just getting a little better.

In the end I hate 'playing the slice' with guys, but for some that's just the only way to get anything out of him. That appears to be the case with Mecole.

And if so - that's fine. That's why a high-end #2 isn't a huge concern of mine. It's just targets that Hardman will lose going forward and I think Hardman, when used properly, is a damn efficient weapon.

In today's NFL, efficiency is the name of the game on offense. And Hardman can make significant contributions in that regard.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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Over the last 2 seasons Hill has had essentially 300 targets w/ a 67% catch rate at 8.6 yards/target.

Travis Kelce has had 280 targets w/ a 71% catch rate and 9.1 yards/target.

So those guys are averaging nearly 9 targets/gm and 6.5 receptions/gm for about 80 yards/gm between them over 60+ games in the last 2 seasons.

Jesus folks - how much more do you think you can realistically coax out of those two?

At some point the math just is what the math is. Adding a top end #2 wideout isn't going to suddenly have those guys averaging 9 receptions and 110 yards/gm on an 80% catch rate. There are only so many targets and human falability and the maelstrom of the NFL will put a cap on what they can do.

The offense isn't a problem, even as presently constructed.


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