Yeah we need to keep him. Our secondary is basically 2 guys in contract years (Fenton/Thornhill) and Sneed without him.

There's some real Ingram potential in him, IMO.

The problem is really that Flowers has had 2 seasons lost to injury rather than Ingrams 1. And when that starts to happen, to whatever those guys are ever 'healthy' again, they've really lost something in the exchange. They never seem to get back to even a reasonable facsimile of what they once were.

I wouldn't be willing to outbid NE for him and NE will probably not have to offer him much more than a couple million.

Agreed.

I'd do this thing, now. If we're going to beef up this DL, we're going to need some solid additions that won't break the bank and, I hope, one big ticket addition.

DeForest Buckner getting cut in San Francisco, maybe?

Assuming both Flowers and Collins cost the same - who do you take?

I think it's far more likely that Collins makes a meaningful contribution, though I think the change to truly make an impact would be a little higher for Flowers.

With Collins I think you have an 80% chance of getting a valuable rotational box safety and clear upgrade on Sorensen. A 20% chance he's a brokedick.

With Flowers I think you get a 66% chance of a dude that's not healthy enough to mean anything and not effective enough when on the field due to those injuries to matter. That leaves about a 33% chance he's a genuine starting caliber SDE.

Of the two, I prefer Collins. You just can't count on a guy with that kind of bust potential.

Didn't they trade him to Indy?

You thinking Armstead?

LMAO

Then you pay a couple million + 1. He has a connection here in Daley, even though Daley is coaching another position entirely.

Veach gets a lot of credit for what he did for the OL last season, but he didn't get enough credit for the depth he built. That OL was two-deep at every position. Niang, Long, Allegretti, Blythe, and Wylie could have started on other teams.

We need that depth here. I suspect we bring back Ingram, but Ingram has an injury history -- back that position up. We only have one legit backup on the team right now in Danna.

You are correct -- he was traded to Indy, who may cut him.

God. We really need to cut Frank. I'm getting worried that isn't happening....

two questions: is he cheaper than frank clark? is he better than frank clark?

Me personally? I'm going with Flowers.

DE > S

We have a desperate need for bodies at both positions. Personally, I take the DE.

:facepalm:

There is absolutely no chance that the Colts cut DeForest Buckner

LMAO

Current Neil Smith is better than Frank Clark.

Sure.

And S > IR

You have to weigh the potential return against the odds of actually getting that.

It's how you calculate the settlement value of a lawsuit. If you have a case with say $10 million in potential damages and a 40% chance of actually winning, you have a case worth roughly $4 million dollars.

If you have a case worth $6 million and an 70% chance of winning, your $6 million case is actually worth roughly $4.2 million (after subtracting the costs of litigation, but now we're going too deep in the weeds).

In other words, the more lucrative case is actually the less 'valuable' one.

In this case you have a DE in Flowers who may be a $10 million player if he hits, but he's 35% likely to be that guy. So he's 'worth' $3.5 million. Whereas in Collins case he may be a $5 million dollar player but he's 80% likely to hit that mark so he's 'worth' $4 million.

Such is my calculus anyway. It's the variation in the figures that creates the question. I'm just saying that when it gets down to it, the latter is the guy I'd rather have with the values that I'm assigning them.