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Dante84 12-27-2022 11:16 AM

Okay so what about this?

2 locks, 1 extension
- Skyy is here
- Toney is here
- Bring back JuJu

3 departures
- Hardman leaves in FA for big money
- Watson is not retained
- MVS is either released (POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $9,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP) or part of a trade package.

3 "go-gets"
- Trade for DeAndre Hopkins OR Trade (less) for Tyler Lockett.
- Sign a FA: Sterling Shepard, DJ Chark, Mack Hollins, Allen Lazard (OR keep MVS)
- Draft a rookie WR

Camp fodder with a chance
- Justyn Ross


Leaves you with:
- Hopkins OR Lockett [Big Money]
- JuJu [Big Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Shepard OR Chark OR Hollins OR Lazard OR MVS [Mid Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Rookie OR Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]

Dunerdr 12-27-2022 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16690893)
Okay so what about this?

2 locks, 1 extension
- Skyy is here
- Toney is here
- Bring back JuJu

3 departures
- Hardman leaves in FA for big money
- Watson is not retained
- MVS is either released (POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $9,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP) or part of a trade package.

3 "go-gets"
- Trade for DeAndre Hopkins OR Trade (less) for Tyler Lockett.
- Sign a FA: Sterling Shepard, DJ Chark, Mack Hollins, Allen Lazard (OR keep MVS)
- Draft a rookie WR

Camp fodder with a chance
- Justyn Ross


Leaves you with:
- Hopkins OR Lockett [Big Money]
- JuJu [Big Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Shepard OR Chark OR Hollins OR Lazard OR MVS [Mid Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Rookie OR Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]

I'm good with any of these scenarios. IMO they are all an upgrade from where we are now.

Buehler445 12-27-2022 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16690875)
The 6 he missed this year was because of suspension, too. He's been mostly reliable health-wise.

It was Fuller that I was thinking was always injured.

Couch-Potato 12-27-2022 11:34 PM

I dig it, here's my plan:

- Hopkins [Biggish Money]
- JuJu [Biggish Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]
- Rookie [Rookie Money]
- Watson [~$1m Optional Addition]

Bottom 3 battle for reps

kccrow 12-28-2022 12:08 AM

No.

Couch-Potato 12-28-2022 06:45 AM

I think we'd have difficulty finding a better discounted contract on talent anywhere in the league outside of a rookie deal. Guy's still a ~top 5 WR, I'd probably rather pay him than JuJu if I had my choice of either on a 2 yr contract. Trading the 2nd hurts, but not so bad if you consider you're likely to get a Mecole Hardman type, and not a Deandre Hopkins, with that pick.

kcbubb 12-28-2022 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 16690671)
Two years of Hopkins for half what Tyreek made? Sign me up.

He probably won’t play for $15M. He probably holds out or asks for a trade for a long term deal? We traded tyreek with one year left on his deal. We could have kept him for one more year and then traded him. Veach doesn’t normally sign older players unless they are cheap on one year deals. I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea at all. It’s a great idea but the assumptions for how this would work are faulty. Dhop wants a new deal if traded.

Couch-Potato 12-29-2022 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16692083)
He probably won’t play for $15M. He probably holds out or asks for a trade for a long term deal? We traded tyreek with one year left on his deal. We could have kept him for one more year and then traded him. Veach doesn’t normally sign older players unless they are cheap on one year deals. I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea at all. It’s a great idea but the assumptions for how this would work are faulty. Dhop wants a new deal if traded.

Agreed, but can he expect that after missing 6 games this season? Or would he have to play for a year on his $19.5m 2023 contract before he could expect an extension?

Chris Meck 12-31-2022 09:16 AM

I don't know who needs to hear this, but no, we don't have time to run wasp.

Bowser 12-31-2022 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16691951)
No.

This.

I'd love Hop here - he'd be lethal opposite Kelce with his route running ability, hands, and ability to catch contested passes. But with our needs elsewhere, his return on investment when you consider the state of our o-tackles and defensive line, especially considering how we have the top offense right now without him or Tyreek or studs at left or right tackles, it just doesn't make sense.

We need to throw our resources at the non-sexy positions this offseason (defensive end not being non-sexy), and I figure it's going to bring some frustration because players like D-Hop would be amazing playing with Mahomes.

chiefforlife 12-31-2022 11:13 PM

Salary cap is important but also, remember Veach was going to pay Tyreek north of 20 mil a season while also adding JuJu.

He was also offering Orlando a huge LT contract at the same time.

So while it seems we may not be able to afford it, Veach is unafraid!

I love watching this man work.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 09:29 AM

Nope.

ToxSocks 01-03-2023 12:25 PM

JuJu and Hopkins occupy the same role except Hopkins is better at it.

It makes no sense to have them both. And again, no one is paying JJSS $20M a year. WTF.

Hopkins to replace JJSS? Im for it. And i'd retain Hardman.

Hopkins
MVS
Toney
Hardman
Moore
Rookie

Couch-Potato 01-13-2023 08:13 PM

Vegas has KC as #1 most likely destination for Hopkins in 2023.

Interesting.

Titty Meat 01-13-2023 08:58 PM

Not paying someone that old that much money. This draft will have alot of talent


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