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Chris Meck 02-07-2023 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16791723)
Kelce, Hopkins, JuJu, & Toney

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Kelce, Hill, Hardman, & Robinson

I don't think there's any way we pay Juju AND Hopkins. Because you certainly can't do that AND pay Brown and Jones and probably Sneed.

It doesn't make the TEAM better.

kccrow 02-07-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 16791788)
Can't see any way they cut MVS, especially after last week. Let's see what he does in the SB. The cap implications must be minor if people are actually suggesting it?

He'd save 7 million as a cut. He's schedule to make 11 with 4 in dead money.

I have to admit, MVS was a pleasant surprise and I'm willing to eat a healthy plate of crow on him. I don't want to see him go. I'd like to keep his speed. I think the team needs to address replacing Hardman's speed and then figure out if they want JuJu back or find another possession guy.

duncan_idaho 02-07-2023 02:45 PM

Even though I'm not a fan of moving for Hopkins (unless he's willing to play on the existing deal), I'm even less of a fan of devoting those resources to Hopkins AND re-signing Juju Smith-Schuster.

They're just duplicative talents. Hopkins can't run the types of routes the Chiefs want their deep threats to run to threaten the D and open up the middle of the field.

At risk of sounding like DJLN: Speed, man. Raw, greasy speed. You need at least SOME of it. And Toney by himself ain't enough.

Couch-Potato 02-07-2023 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 16791788)
Can't see any way they cut MVS, especially after last week. Let's see what he does in the SB. The cap implications must be minor if people are actually suggesting it?

$7m savings next year.

Couch-Potato 02-07-2023 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16791796)
I don't think there's any way we pay Juju AND Hopkins. Because you certainly can't do that AND pay Brown and Jones and probably Sneed.

It doesn't make the TEAM better.

It's not practical, would require some serious cap magic, but the cap does seem to go up a fair amount every year. This was meant to be my less conservative, swing for the fences mock. A boy can dream!

Nightfyre 02-07-2023 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16792915)
$7m savings next year.

MVS is worth 7M, so there is no way he is cut imo.

Couch-Potato 02-07-2023 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 16793025)
MVS is worth 7M, so there is no way he is cut imo.

I agree he's played to that value, but do you want to pay him $14m the following year? I think that following year he becomes a liability to the cap, In this mock offseason i'm taking my shot at upgrading him with Hopkins. But in reality, I agree we should keep him this next year bc the price is right.

Chris Meck 02-08-2023 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16792927)
It's not practical, would require some serious cap magic, but the cap does seem to go up a fair amount every year. This was meant to be my less conservative, swing for the fences mock. A boy can dream!

If we're going to dream, the very BEST dream would be the Justyn Ross' injury problems are behind him, he's 100% healthy, and has been studying the playbook all season long so he's next year's Juju on an UDFA salary. I mean, that would be ****ing awesome.

What a dream.

Couch-Potato 02-08-2023 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16793210)
If we're going to dream, the very BEST dream would be the Justyn Ross' injury problems are behind him, he's 100% healthy, and has been studying the playbook all season long so he's next year's Juju on an UDFA salary. I mean, that would be ****ing awesome.

What a dream.

YES! I dream this dream as well!

Chris Meck 02-08-2023 06:45 AM

Thing is, this is a really difficult offense for WR's to digest and I'd think you can expect the entire group to be better in year two than year one-especially rookies, who had to learn how to be pros and THEN have to digest an offensive scheme unlike anything they'd ever experienced.

Some turnover is needed and bound to happen; we'll never have everyone back ever again, most likely. But I think you need to bring back MOST of them where finances allow.

MVS has been worth the investment, is still young, and is still fast. You need a guy like that, and you can pay someone else to have a learning curve or you can just stick with the guy you've got and not having a learning curve.

Watson, other than the stretch where he had the dropsies, has been a nice complementary piece. Big, fast, smart, always where he's supposed to be. And he's inexpensive. You definitely need him back.

Juju is the big question, and I think he's likely looking at a much higher cap number. I like Juju, but I think he's mostly been a big slot for us, and I think you can project Skyy to be more of a normal slot receiver in year two. Watson can take some of the other Juju targets.

And perhaps an offseason with this training staff can get Toney's soft tissue problems under control and keep him on the field. If so, we have legit #1 WR talent cost controlled for another few years, and that's awesome.

Justyn Ross is the wild-card maybe guy, and you draft a guy somewhere in day 2 and you call it good, in my opinion.

Nightfyre 02-08-2023 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16793083)
I agree he's played to that value, but do you want to pay him $14m the following year? I think that following year he becomes a liability to the cap, In this mock offseason i'm taking my shot at upgrading him with Hopkins. But in reality, I agree we should keep him this next year bc the price is right.

Again, not trying to be critical. I think MVS is here next year and year three will be evaluated on his performance next year and what mutual willingness to extend will be.

Couch-Potato 02-08-2023 01:00 PM

I agree with both Meck and Nightfyre on all counts, and although I think we could replace JuJu's production with our current WR room, I wouldn't wanna try it. Ideally, we'd stay the same or improve at WR after a SB win. I'd love to bring JuJu back at the right price, but he's no world beater so I'm really curious to see what the price ends up being. Ultimately, if we're going to spend the extra $14m in cap space the league gave us this season somewhere, I wouldn't hate using it on star WR talent. Juju, Hopkins, or otherwise.

Couch-Potato 03-13-2023 09:44 PM

I still like this mock!

Would probably have to give up a future pick to nab Breese, Mazi's probably available at our pick though.

In the 2nd we might be able to get Tuipulotu, who had a bad combine apparently, Carter who's dropping on board recently, or Hall at DE.

EB didn't get a HC job so maybe bump Zion Nelson down to the 4th and remove Iosivas, if he's not there target Wayna Morris, Haggard, or Daniels as depth options behind Nang.

I'd swap Bobo for Matt Landers if he's there.

Haggard prob doesn't make it that far, swap him out for RB Lew Nichols III who lead the NCAA with 1800 yards in 2022.

Prob have to swap JuJu for MVS in this scenario.


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