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Gravedigger 04-25-2023 07:07 AM

I've been in the boat for a bigger bodied WR for a long time. Kinda tired of the small guys, Mahomes needs a young, point of catch, Moss the DB, kinda guy so give me Mingo over Hyatt. When we passed on George Pickens last year to trade down, then took Skyy Moore I was pretty disappointed. I saw why they did it, Pickens has some cockiness that might not play well with others, a Steelers or Raiders pick he was destined to be, but I still want that type of receiver for Mahomes and imo there's no better time to take that guy. Either this year or next, lock up a young stud big bodied receiver for Mahomes to continue his prime with. Trade draft capital to do it too, I don't care, this front office can afford to be a little risky after the last five years of success they've accomplished.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-25-2023 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16915262)
I think we get Hopkins myself. Bringing in all these WRs is prolly a scare tactic so that Arizona lowers their asking price.

Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

MahomesMagic 04-25-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16915093)
I don't know if I've ever seen Veach telegraph "the guy" at WR, or really his 1st/2nd round targets all that much. Hyatt and Scott are the two guys to watch IMO, depending on if it's 1st or 2nd round. No talk about either to KC and both are perfect fits.

I really don't think KC is taking an ER in the first two rounds either. They don't have a need for a starter over the next 2 years. I mean, if a value falls just right yeah, but I just don't see them pushing it.

I'm with you on Tyler Scott.

He looks like a great fit here.

Meatloaf 04-25-2023 07:12 AM

Wanna replace Mecole? If so, I think Jamyr Gibbs provides many of those same skills....plus the additional skills of a RB. That said, I doubt the goal of our First is to simply replace Mecole. Nonetheless, I think Gibbs would be awesome in our offense.

Gibbs could also replace McKinnon, except for his blocking skills. But didn't McK have 9 receiving TDs?

Lastly, does anyone see a bit of Jamal Charles in Gibbs? Looks like a clone to me. Would love to see Gibbs in red!!!

RealSNR 04-25-2023 08:50 AM

kccrow is going to be completely and utterly insufferable if we take Gibbs.

He's going on a revenge tour, and not even the innocent will be spared. I never made fun of the pick, but I could easily see him telling me to drink anti-freeze.

Hold onto your butts

Dunerdr 04-25-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16915345)
kccrow is going to be completely and utterly insufferable if we take Gibbs.

He's going on a revenge tour, and not even the innocent will be spared. I never made fun of the pick, but I could easily see him telling me to drink anti-freeze.

Hold onto your butts

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IowaHawkeyeChief 04-25-2023 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16915273)
Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

and we are no longer the team that chases and overpays the aging vet on the downhill side of their career. We now leave that to the other 3 teams in our division...

ForeverIowan 04-25-2023 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16915273)
Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

Geez man it is the salary cap. Funny money. Veach can maneuver that with one swipe of his magical wand. Im not necessarily advocating for any of the below solutions specifically but it is easily possible

1.) Cardinals transfer the majoriry of his salary to bonus and pay it if the draft capital is sufficient enough.
2.) Chris Jones extension
3.) Move some Thuney money around
4.) Move more Mahomes money around
5.) Move Kelce money around.

The Franchise 04-25-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16915378)
Geez man it is the salary cap. Funny money. Veach can maneuver that with one swipe of his magical wand. Im not necessarily advocating for any of the below solutions specifically but it is easily possible

1.) Cardinals transfer the majoriry of his salary to bonus and pay it if the draft capital is sufficient enough.
2.) Chris Jones extension
3.) Move some Thuney money around
4.) Move more Mahomes money around
5.) Move Kelce money around.

There are deadlines on those last three. They touched Mahomes money already and can't do it again.

ForeverIowan 04-25-2023 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16915382)
There are deadlines on those last three. They touched Mahomes money already and can't do it again.

Pretty sure they can restructure Mahomes contract whenever they dang well please but dont claim to be a cap expert so will defer on that.

The Franchise 04-25-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16915396)
Pretty sure they can restructure Mahomes contract whenever they dang well please but dont claim to be a cap expert so will defer on that.

They can't. There is a deadline on it every year. They already restructured it for this season and can't do it again.

Red Dawg 04-25-2023 10:02 AM

We have many wrs they want to look at on the roster now. Taking one early may not happen. They want Toney to be the guy. Rookie wrs never do shit with Andy.

Iconic 04-25-2023 10:15 AM

I mean he's being written off for good reason though, Hyatt is a giant unknown. His release packages and route tree were never fleshed out because of the Tennessee offense. If you pick him you're really just gambling that it was a case of “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do”. He's not appreciably powerful or tall that would make him an athletic freak like DK or Julio, and from what I watched he wasn't particularly great at contested catch situations.

If Veach pulls the trigger I won't bitch because it means Reid believes he can coach these things up in the kid. But as it stands, being fast can't be the only thing you bring to the table in the NFL. He's raw and I wouldn't personally touch him in the first unless the board is absolute shite.

kccrow 04-25-2023 12:49 PM

The real question (not calling you out specifically Iconic) is what part of the "route tree" do you guys not see Hyatt running with regularity that you think he should be running given his primary position and role?

I ask this because I've seen this take regurgitated quite frequently and I significantly question its merit but will gladly listen to anyone's take that can point to specific routes they think are requisite to him being, most ideally, a Z receiver here and he doesn't currently run.

Iconic 04-25-2023 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16915874)
The real question (not calling you out specifically Iconic) is what part of the "route tree" do you guys not see Hyatt running with regularity that you think he should be running given his primary position and role?

I ask this because I've seen this take regurgitated quite frequently and I significantly question its merit but will gladly listen to anyone's take that can point to specific routes they think are requisite to him being, most ideally, a Z receiver here and he doesn't currently run.

Had to go dumpster diving to find this tweet from ages ago but see for yourself.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Receiving yards % by route for Jalin Hyatt, JSN, Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnson (2021-22, via PFF) <a href="https://t.co/ZmwXMnSCHe">pic.twitter.com/ZmwXMnSCHe</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1625967430706274304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As I said before, we do not know if it was a “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do” situation. I get Heupel’s offense ran a bunch of deep choice stuff and Hyatt was forced into running a lot of flys. But with all these unknowns it just remains to be seen why you'd take him when there may be better options without as many question marks. I'm not even opposed to taking him, I just see better value elsewhere personally.


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