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The Franchise 04-27-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16918579)
As I said elsewhere, if I'm making deals involving 2024 draft capital, I'm adding it - not subtracting it. I'll take that trade out of the 1st this year for someone's 1st next year. Quickly, in fact.

It's the one thing that Veach hasn't done yet. Maybe this is the year.

kccrow 04-27-2023 10:38 AM

The 2024 draft isn't going to be near as good as you guys think it is. It has a handful of outstanding prospects at the top and it's going to be better for QBs than this year in all likelihood. Other than that, don't get your hopes up.

As for Jones, yeah, I might be in the minority but he is going to be the next Trent Williams or Laremy Tunsil caliber LT in my opinion.

Direckshun 04-27-2023 10:55 AM

Johnson from Toledo is uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunderrated. I love him.

Dunerdr 04-27-2023 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16918754)
The 2024 draft isn't going to be near as good as you guys think it is. It has a handful of outstanding prospects at the top and it's going to be better for QBs than this year in all likelihood. Other than that, don't get your hopes up.

As for Jones, yeah, I might be in the minority but he is going to be the next Trent Williams or Laremy Tunsil caliber LT in my opinion.

Like all drafts we won’t have a chance at a blue chip from 32.

TambaBerry 04-27-2023 11:11 AM

I feel like Jones is going to struggle with pass protection in the NFL. I'm not sure if it's a fixable technique thing or it's bad habits but it's why I don't want anything to do with the guy.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2023 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16918754)
The 2024 draft isn't going to be near as good as you guys think it is. It has a handful of outstanding prospects at the top and it's going to be better for QBs than this year in all likelihood. Other than that, don't get your hopes up.

As for Jones, yeah, I might be in the minority but he is going to be the next Trent Williams or Laremy Tunsil caliber LT in my opinion.

But again, doesn't adding 6-8 guys who would all go in the top 10 of this year's draft greatly improve the back of the round through a simple transitive property?

Or do you believe that next years draft, after those first 6-8, is actually WORSE through the next 20 picks? Because I certainly don't see it that way.

It isn't about believing we'll get a shot at any of those top 5-10 picks, it's simply a belief that their existence will improve the quality of the prospects available where we're drafting.

And that's to say nothing of my general opposition to spending two 1st round picks on an OT when I think we have a guy in Taylor that will be quite good at LT and RT simply doesn't require that degree of draft capital.

kccrow 04-27-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16918863)
But again, doesn't adding 6-8 guys who would all go in the top 10 of this year's draft greatly improve the back of the round through a simple transitive property?

Or do you believe that next years draft, after those first 6-8, is actually WORSE through the next 20 picks? Because I certainly don't see it that way.

It isn't about believing we'll get a shot at any of those top 5-10 picks, it's simply a belief that their existence will improve the quality of the prospects available where we're drafting.

And that's to say nothing of my general opposition to spending two 1st round picks on an OT when I think we have a guy in Taylor that will be quite good at LT and RT simply doesn't require that degree of draft capital.

I don't think it's necessarily worse through the top 20. I think the positional makeup is more balanced. I think it's a better draft at DT. I don't think it's as deep at OT. I don't think it's a really great draft either, to be honest. There are a handful of prospects that are better than some prospects in this class but that doesn't mean it increases the volume of quality prospects. In fact, I don't think it's going to present itself any differently in that regard.

I have no issues personally giving up draft capital for a guy you think is going to lock down your left side at a high level for the next decade. The only warts for Jones are in technique and those are easily fixable/attainable. His athletic ability is outstanding. He's a better prospect than Cross, Darrisaw, or Penning for me and those were my favorites the past couple of drafts.

Look, Taylor is a great fit at RT. I have reservations about the move to LT. I'm not pounding the table for KC to make a trade like this but I think its heavily on the table for Veach based on the amount of time they've spent with this kid and it's something he's talked about ("if we draft a LT..."). This is what I think it'd take to go up and get the guy and NE is always a potential trade partner.

I'm just as happy staying down at the bottom of the round for Gibbs or Hyatt, but if you want a blue-chip prospect at LT you have to go up and get one. There are only a couple of good ones next year too, then a couple of good RTs.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2023 04:08 PM

I mean ultimately I think we might HAVE a 'blue chip prospect' at LT who's entering the prime of his career.

So I guess that's the real disconnect. I see no need to be that aggressive at LT when I think Taylor can be a REALLY good one.

kccrow 04-27-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16919561)
I mean ultimately I think we might HAVE a 'blue chip prospect' at LT who's entering the prime of his career.

So I guess that's the real disconnect. I see no need to be that aggressive at LT when I think Taylor can be a REALLY good one.

Up until this past season I wasn't convinced Taylor could ever be a really good RT, much less be really good at a position he's never played. So yeah, the disconnect between us on this point is quite large. Not saying you might not be correct, I'm just more than a little bit concerned with that arrangement.


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