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chiefzilla1501 05-09-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16938885)
"We have to draft and develop, now that we're paying Mahomes to stay good long term we've gotta do it this way"..

Team drafts and tries to develop WR's thru the draft


"These guys are jags what are we doing".

The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. I think it’s fair to say we have not really have any proven hits on draft picks since tyreek/fisher/Schwartz. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

tredadda 05-09-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by unBelizable (Post 16938867)
Belicheat tended to trade down in the draft.

Also used those picks in bizarre ways on non-premium positions.

Dude is a fraud without Brady.

Both are. Neither would be considered GOATs without each other.

O.city 05-09-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16938934)
The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

O.city 05-09-2023 09:29 AM

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

nicksdad 05-09-2023 09:35 AM

once again, there are more ways to get decent offensive weapons than JUST THE DRAFT! he also has trade options and free agency . the BVBWA members focus on lack of draft investment ( which also is TOTAlLY within Veach's control ) but the fact is that he has brought in no top flight offensive weapons through ANY of the three possible courses. this is a fact. cant wait to be called stupid by the ball washers. just an fyi , I have been a chefs fan for 55 years and sweated out the first super bowl win .love the chiefs and hope that all their picks/ trades/ signings are brilliant. I just don't measure every acquisition for their gold jacket in Canton just because they wear red uniforms. this makes me stupid , I guess?

chiefzilla1501 05-09-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16938940)
Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

chiefzilla1501 05-09-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16938941)
They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

O.city 05-09-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16938954)
It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

They had 2 good tackles who they lost in an offseason and drafted a 3rd rounder and traded a first for another LT. Got a couple cheap years out of those guys, plus RT play out of Wylie.

The 2020 draft with CEH is what hurts the skill positions a bit with that whiff.

They've also figured out that putting protection around Mahomes is probably more important than high end WRs it seems and figure Mahomes can develop the talent they've picked up in the early rounds at WR.

O.city 05-09-2023 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16938957)
Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

Once you balance out the FA money spend on offense, yeah, it's pretty even. And last 3 years you have CEH in the first, OBJ traded a first for, Creed in the 2nd, Skyy in the 2nd, Toney was a first rounder, and Rice this year.

So you guys who want 'Blue chip prospects" need to just come out and say you don't like the picks, because they've spent high end capital on the offense.

staylor26 05-09-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16938919)
I don't know what this word is staylor but I'm 100% here for it...

JK

Lol what a weird autocorrect.

RunKC 05-09-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16938940)
Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

staylor26 05-09-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16938954)
It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

:facepalm:

You keep pushing this dumb ****ing narrative.

They've now invested 2 2nds and a 3rd over the last year. Maybe have some ****ing patience for those guys to develop?

staylor26 05-09-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16938941)
They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

This has been explained to zilla over and over and he keeps pretending that isn't the case.

O.city 05-09-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16938973)
I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

Richie James will end up putting up 800 yards and 6 TD's and the Chiefs will have an elite offense again and we'll have the same "Andy and Pat did it again, wow".

chiefzilla1501 05-09-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16938976)
:facepalm:

You keep pushing this dumb ****ing narrative.

They've now invested 2 2nds and a 3rd over the last year. Maybe have some ****ing patience for those guys to develop?

It is fair to be critical when we have not done well developing our own guys since umpteen years ago when we drafted tyreek. I’m being plenty patient and have not called these guys busts. I’m simply saying we need to hit on these picks. And we can’t just shrug off bad moves because our coaches can elevate the talent.

Look at tackle. Two stories. On the one hand we put a ton into LT and busted. On the other hand we’ve barely even tried at RT even if that meant poorly protecting mahomes.

The front office is capable of doing better and of course it is a nitpick considering all the great they’ve done. But let’s not massage this by saying we’ve been very good at finding offensive talent since we drafted mahomes. We just haven’t been. Either we’ve tried and haven’t been successful. Or we should be trying harder.


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