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-King- 08-26-2023 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 17075458)
OK, simple question: hand v chest/stomach?

So not important as an observation?

Seems like a logical question.

By the time they reach the NFL, its just theit natural catching form. It's not a major deal the majority of the time. Even with Hill, he had one bad year of drops but every other year he's fantastic.

cdcox 08-26-2023 11:42 PM

I did a detailed analysis of WR drops today. From year to year, the league-wide drop rate is 6.5%. In a given season, a simple model where every receiver has a 6.5% chance of dropping a given pass, accurately reproduces the league wide drop frequency distribution. The correlation between drop rates in 2022 and 2023 for a given receiver was only 0.2.

Stripping through all the math, no receiver in the NFL has better hands than another. The simplest representation is that all NFL receivers have a 6.5% chance of dropping any given pass.

BWillie 08-27-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17075523)
I did a detailed analysis of WR drops today. From year to year, the league-wide drop rate is 6.5%. In a given season, a simple model where every receiver has a 6.5% chance of dropping a given pass, accurately reproduces the league wide drop frequency distribution. The correlation between drop rates in 2022 and 2023 for a given receiver was only 0.2.

Stripping through all the math, no receiver in the NFL has better hands than another. The simplest representation is that all NFL receivers have a 6.5% chance of dropping any given pass.

Isn't math cool?

TwistedChief 08-27-2023 03:56 PM

Maybe it hurts their hands.

Megatron96 08-27-2023 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17075523)

Stripping through all the math, no receiver in the NFL has better hands than another.



Lol, now that's funny.

TinyEvel 08-27-2023 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17075523)
I did a detailed analysis of WR drops today. From year to year, the league-wide drop rate is 6.5%. In a given season, a simple model where every receiver has a 6.5% chance of dropping a given pass, accurately reproduces the league wide drop frequency distribution. The correlation between drop rates in 2022 and 2023 for a given receiver was only 0.2.

Stripping through all the math, no receiver in the NFL has better hands than another. The simplest representation is that all NFL receivers have a 6.5% chance of dropping any given pass.

WTF? Did ChatGPT write this? How is the even possible.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-27-2023 06:15 PM

No they are taught to attack the point of the ball with their thumbs and pointer fingers making a diamond pattern. I low ball or over the shoulder are the exceptions. Sometimes they are late and don't get their hands in the correct and coached position.

cdcox 08-27-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 17075649)
WTF? Did ChatGPT write this? How is the even possible.

I calculated the drop rate of every WR by:

Drop rate = drops/(drops+receptions)

The denominator of that represents catchable balls.

I then plotted the drop rate in 2021 vs the drop rate in 2022 of every receiver who caught at least 50 passes in both years. If some players had better hands than others, you'd expect them to have similar drop rates in both years and all the points to be scattered on a 45 degree line. Instead you get a scatter plot with a correlation coefficient of only 0.2. There is another analysis I did, but it is a little more complex.

Demonpenz 08-27-2023 08:23 PM

your mom catches with her mouth

DenverChief 08-27-2023 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17075831)
I calculated the drop rate of every WR by:

Drop rate = drops/(drops+receptions)

The denominator of that represents catchable balls.

I then plotted the drop rate in 2021 vs the drop rate in 2022 of every receiver who caught at least 50 passes in both years. If some players had better hands than others, you'd expect them to have similar drop rates in both years and all the points to be scattered on a 45 degree line. Instead you get a scatter plot with a correlation coefficient of only 0.2. There is another analysis I did, but it is a little more complex.

I hate math - but I love this

Holladay 08-28-2023 09:51 AM

Wow, they got math for everything...

MagicHef 08-28-2023 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17075831)
I calculated the drop rate of every WR by:

Drop rate = drops/(drops+receptions)

The denominator of that represents catchable balls.

I then plotted the drop rate in 2021 vs the drop rate in 2022 of every receiver who caught at least 50 passes in both years. If some players had better hands than others, you'd expect them to have similar drop rates in both years and all the points to be scattered on a 45 degree line. Instead you get a scatter plot with a correlation coefficient of only 0.2. There is another analysis I did, but it is a little more complex.

Wow, who was it that dropped 13.5% of catchable passes in 2021?

Cosmos 08-28-2023 10:41 AM

3 points of contact/control vs 2…just spitballin here..

cdcox 08-28-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17076327)
Wow, who was it that dropped 13.5% of catchable passes in 2021?

Deebo.

Megatron96 08-28-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 17076287)
Wow, they got math for everything...


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