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Otter 10-30-2023 11:18 AM

Dude is looking very promising.

JohnnyV13 10-30-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17199318)
Meanwhile FAU is fading away into the background… Maybe next year he will show something..

We would have said the same thing about Karlaftis after 8 games into last seasn. Seth Keysor says FAU has flashed the ability to string together pass rushing moves and has more natural "bend" than either Danna or Karlaftis. (I'll defer to Keysor on this, b/c he watches a lot more video than I do).

However, with both Danna and Karlaftis playing pretty effectively, its harder for FAU to get onto the field. Thus, you'd expect his development to be slower.

BossChief 10-30-2023 12:42 PM

With Omenihu back, his pressures are converting to sacks like I thought they would. He’s getting doubled nearly every play and still making plays consistently,

I missed on my eval of Skyy badly, but my eval of GK56 was spot on to the people saying he has a low ceiling but high floor when he was actually high ceiling/high floor.

George and Skyy are both very inexperienced, but George is starting to show bend and is using his hands extremely effectively. He’s playing at a pro bowl level.

BossChief 10-30-2023 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17199130)
I think it was BossChief who was comparing him to TJ Watt

He only had 7 sacks this first year. Now an absolute monster.

I think I said his ceiling was JJ X .85

Bowser 10-30-2023 12:44 PM

It's Danna that's keeping FAU off the field right now. This is the best Danna has looked since he's been here, and it's a great problem to have.

JohnnyV13 10-30-2023 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17199468)
With Omenihu back, his pressures are converting to sacks like I thought they would. He’s getting doubled nearly every play and still making plays consistently,

I missed on my eval of Skyy badly, but my eval of GK56 was spot on to the people saying he has a low ceiling but high floor when he was actually high ceiling/high floor.

George and Skyy are both very inexperienced, but George is starting to show bend and is using his hands extremely effectively. He’s playing at a pro bowl level.

It isn't so much a natural "bend" that you're seeing. For example, Tamba never really had that. What you're seeing is a strong guy with decent leverage who knows how to use hand-fighting to gain a leverage advantage and weaken the outside half of the offensive tackle's set. So, Karlaftis is smashing the OT's leverage and blowing past him to the outside. "Bend" is beating the tackle to the edge, pushing upfield, then having the agility to corner and get to the QB rather than getting pushed harmlessly past as the QB steps up.

(P.S. I don't pretend to be any kind of "expert" at the DE position. It's just hat I did Judo for many years at a fairly high competitive level. The hand-fighting techniques that Tamba has passed on to Karlaftis is something I immediately recognized when Tamba unveiled them. Tamba picked them up from BJJ (Brazilian ju-jitsu), but it's pretty much the same sport as Judo. BJJ (despite the name) is actually derived from Judo instead of main-line Ju-jitsu).

The weird thing is, hand-fighting is usually more emphasized in Judo than BJJ. The reason Tamba got it from BJJ is that BJJ is now the much more popular sport due to it's use in MMA. The funny thing is, BJJ hand-fighting techniques are mostly useless in MMA b/c there's no gi (the upper part of a martial arts outfit). And, they're more prominent in Judo than BJJ b/c Judo is geared toward standing techniques and BJJ is about ground-fighting.

Kiimo 10-30-2023 01:21 PM

Outside of Hutchinson George looks like the best DE/DL in the draft.


Hutch and George are both beasts.







lol Jacksonville how is Travon Walker experience going




edit: haha someone beat me


https://i.imgflip.com/84cs7x.jpg

493rd 10-30-2023 01:23 PM

He’s getting better every week and I love his motor. Wish he could give CJ some of the fuel he’s consuming.

RunKC 11-01-2023 03:55 PM

Tied for 13th in the league in sacks, 6th amongst DE's

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DJ's left nut 11-01-2023 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17199318)
Meanwhile FAU is fading away into the background… Maybe next year he will show something..

I wonder if he's not showing out against the run or if he's not maintaining gap discipline.

Because he shows burst and fluidity; even chains moves together. I really thought he'd show better progress this season than Karlaftis did last season.

Clearly I mis-fired on that one.

RealSNR 11-01-2023 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17199600)
Outside of Hutchinson George looks like the best DE/DL in the draft.


Hutch and George are both beasts.

lol Jacksonville how is Travon Walker experience going


edit: haha someone beat me

https://i.imgflip.com/84cs7x.jpg

Remember when Veach ****ed up for passing on Jermaine Johnson?

People really need to stop letting Mel Kiper do their draft thinking for them.

JPH83 11-01-2023 04:07 PM

Definitely seen a step forward. I still think his ceiling is something like Trey Hendricksen, and would be perfectly happy with that.

raybec 4 11-01-2023 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17203092)
I wonder if he's not showing out against the run or if he's not maintaining gap discipline.

Because he shows burst and fluidity; even chains moves together. I really thought he'd show better progress this season than Karlaftis did last season.

Clearly I mis-fired on that one.

George got about 70% of the snaps last year out of complete necessity. Felix has been behind better guys than GK was, he'll get better as he gets more reps I think.

Kiimo 11-01-2023 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17203102)
Remember when Veach ****ed up for passing on Jermaine Johnson?

People really need to stop letting Mel Kiper do their draft thinking for them.

yeah for real.

I guess Kayvon Thibodeaux has been okay but Karlaftis is by far the biggest steal among first round DE

smithandrew051 11-01-2023 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17203108)
George got about 70% of the snaps last year out of complete necessity. Felix has been behind better guys than GK was, he'll get better as he gets more reps I think.

I was going to post the same thing.

Karlaftis was somewhat quiet through the first half of last season (at least in sacks). He was on the field much more because he didn’t have the same quality ahead of him.

I think there’s a real conversation to be had about Mike Danna though. He’s looking very legit. Do we maybe bring him back on a reasonable deal and let Jones walk (or tag/trade)?

Danna, Karlaftis, Omenihu, and potentially FAU still give us 4 nasty pass rushers next year. I’m sure we’ll draft a couple bodies on the DL too.


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