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Gary Cooper 11-15-2023 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17225526)
I do think it should be changed as it is too easy to exploit for offenses.
I also don't agree with an automatic 1st down for defensive holding. A 5 yard penalty should not be an automatic 1st down regardless of distance to go. Currently, it feels like everything besides an offsides is an automatic 1st down.

Then again, the last season and a half we've seen improvements in NFL defense. Scoring has gone down. I doubt the league changes anything as a result.

poolboy 11-15-2023 02:06 PM
Why couldnt a qb do that all game if he wanted?

Gary Cooper 11-15-2023 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17225533)
I think I'm in favor of the 15 yard max, but the problem is that if a DB had a choice to give up a 50 yard reception or interfere and get a 15 yard penalty, they'll interfere every time. You're basically rewarding the defense for committing a penalty if it's beyond 15 yards.
I can see that for sure. But on 3rd down and 4th down, you're still rewarded for playing good defense and punished for fouling.

AdolfOliverBush 11-15-2023 02:10 PM
It's ****ed up that a DB is required to turn his head and locate the ball to avoid a PI call, but when he does the receiver can simply hit the brakes in front of the DB and draw a PI call anyway. Completely stupid. That should be considered the WR initiating contact, and should be a no-call.

The Franchise 11-15-2023 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17225543)
It's ****ed up that a DB is required to turn his head and locate the ball to avoid a PI call, but when he does the receiver can simply hit the brakes in front of the DB and draw a PI call anyway. Completely stupid. That should be considered the WR initiating contact, and should be a no-call.
I've never understood calling a penalty on a DB who isn't turning for the ball. As long as he's not running through the WR or doing anything to actually interfere with the catch process...then who gives a **** if he didn't turn his head but sticks his arms up?

tredadda 11-15-2023 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17225523)
I understand the issue, but this is a bad example. Jeudy would have caught that ball if the DB didn't run into him before it got there.
Perhaps, but it’s still an under thrown ball. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad Buffalo lost, but it’s still ridiculous the way PIs are currently called.

AdolfOliverBush 11-15-2023 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17225546)
I've never understood calling a penalty on a DB who isn't turning for the ball. As long as he's not running through the WR or doing anything to actually interfere with the catch process...then who gives a **** if he didn't turn his head but sticks his arms up?
My understanding is he can stick his arms up, but can't even graze the WR if he doesn't turn his head.

O.city 11-15-2023 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17225543)
It's ****ed up that a DB is required to turn his head and locate the ball to avoid a PI call, but when he does the receiver can simply hit the brakes in front of the DB and draw a PI call anyway. Completely stupid. That should be considered the WR initiating contact, and should be a no-call.
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17225546)
I've never understood calling a penalty on a DB who isn't turning for the ball. As long as he's not running through the WR or doing anything to actually interfere with the catch process...then who gives a **** if he didn't turn his head but sticks his arms up?
If you're playing man, you really aren't supposed to turn and find the ball until the absolute last minute if you can. Just play thru the WR, but gotta stay in phase.

MagicHef 11-15-2023 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17225552)
Perhaps, but it’s still an under thrown ball. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad Buffalo lost, but it’s still ridiculous the way PIs are currently called.
Not sure why that matters. Catching imperfect throws is a valid skill in WRs. Should we say that only perfect throws can be completed?

KCrockaholic 11-15-2023 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17225536)
Why couldnt a qb do that all game if he wanted?
Defenses wouldn’t allow it to continue, switching to a zone keeps the eyes towards the LOS/QB rather than man to man where a defender will end up with his back turned. At the end of the day the CB needs to cover better and he won’t end up running into a WR that obviously already beat him on the play naturally.

staylor26 11-15-2023 02:41 PM
So this is now the discussion after the Bills lost this way? :hmmm:

Sounds familiar.

Eleazar 11-15-2023 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17225543)
It's ****ed up that a DB is required to turn his head and locate the ball to avoid a PI call, but when he does the receiver can simply hit the brakes in front of the DB and draw a PI call anyway. Completely stupid. That should be considered the WR initiating contact, and should be a no-call.
This seems like a sensible approach to me

ReynardMuldrake 11-15-2023 02:45 PM
Isn't that arguably OPI? The defender should be entitled to their space too. Not much different from a pick play.

MagicHef 11-15-2023 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 17225591)
Isn't that arguably OPI? The defender should be entitled to their space too. Not much different from a pick play.
In general, maybe. In the Jeudy play, definitely not. The CB runs into him, not the other way around.

MagicHef 11-15-2023 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 17225575)
Defenses wouldn’t allow it to continue, switching to a zone keeps the eyes towards the LOS/QB rather than man to man where a defender will end up with his back turned. At the end of the day the CB needs to cover better and he won’t end up running into a WR that obviously already beat him on the play naturally.
Not running the same cover zero blitz two plays in a row is a good place to start.


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