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DRM08 12-11-2023 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17274663)
Andy won't make heads roll over this. And frankly it's not our place to tell him what the right course of action is moving forward. He knows best how to manage big problems like this.

But god damn it do I want to see somebody get guillotined. Either Toney, Embree, or Nagy. Or a couple of them.

They're all chumps and they're all easily replaceable. And in Toney's case specifically, I've got the feeling it's going to be addition by subtraction when he finally goes away. And the same could very well be true for the two coaches I mentioned.
I'm not sure Embree needs to be fired, but I think he's in over his head with this particular group of receivers. If he had a stacked WR room like the Bengals or Eagles, the coach's lack of experience would not be so much of a potential liability for the team. So instead of firing him, he needs to be put into a different role like his old job (quality control or whatever it was). Get a legit experienced WR coach to deal with these guys.

AdolfOliverBush 12-11-2023 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17274692)
I'm not sure Embree needs to be fired, but I think he's in over his head with this particular group of receivers. If he had a stacked WR room like the Bengals or Eagles, the coach's lack of experience would not be so much of a potential liability for the team. So instead of firing him, he needs to be put into a different role like his old job (quality control or whatever it was). Get a legit experienced WR coach to deal with these guys.
Yes, and lose the receiver-by-committee nonsense. Rice and *gag* Watson are clearly the two best WRs on the roster.

jerryaldini 12-11-2023 04:56 PM
I had calmed down about this, but Dan's work makes it so much worse.
1. Refs have to either warn/call earlier or keep ignoring it.
2. How does our sideline go the whole game and never let Toney know? That's nuts!
3. Toney, come on dude, look at the other receiver.

Refs needs a new response now in light of this video!

suzzer99 12-11-2023 04:59 PM
I have a feeling if you look around the league you'll see WRs on the blue line A LOT. Clay posted a pic earlier from a Rams game that I can't find now because we have 47 threads on this topic.

Papi 12-11-2023 05:01 PM
I'm not a Toney supporter but the vitriol so many people are spewing at the dude is excessive. Especially when you take into account Orlovsky's evidence that he did it all game with no warnings or penalties. Former players have said they try and get as close as possible to the ball for an edge and that's all he was doing here.. with every indication that it had been fine all game.

AdolfOliverBush 12-11-2023 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 17274722)
I'm not a Toney supporter but the vitriol so many people are spewing at the dude is excessive. Especially when you take into account Orlovsky's evidence that he did it all game with no warnings or penalties. Former players have said they try and get as close as possible to the ball for an edge and that's all he was doing here.. with every indication that it had been fine all game.
The mother ****er has cost the team two games this season, thanks to an inability to perform the most basic functions of his job.

LagunaSWana 12-11-2023 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17274658)
That's an odd takeaway. It seems like it's just confirming what Andy was pissed off about - the officials typically warn a player and the HC when a player is getting close to being called for it. Andy wasn't pissed because the call was wrong - he was pissed that the refs didn't do the job he expects them to do. If Toney had gotten a warning on this early in the game, they could have corrected it.
I get the point of view that if he had been doing it all game, the refs should be doing some preventative officiating by giving him, the coaches or Mahomes a heads up about it. I agree with all that. But it's Toney's ultimate responsibility to ensure he's lining up legally by covering the tackle, but not being in the neutral zone. If the guy's spatial awareness is that bad, it's no damn wonder that he can't catch the ball.

Jewish Rabbi 12-11-2023 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 17274722)
I'm not a Toney supporter but the vitriol so many people are spewing at the dude is excessive. Especially when you take into account Orlovsky's evidence that he did it all game with no warnings or penalties. Former players have said they try and get as close as possible to the ball for an edge and that's all he was doing here.. with every indication that it had been fine all game.
Can't believe you downvote all my shit and then post some stupid as **** BS like this

Papi 12-11-2023 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17274767)
Can't believe you downvote all my shit and then post some stupid as **** BS like this
Stupid? How so? Seems pretty logical. And I upvote you all the time for funny sh*t you post. Can't believe you care...

Hoover 12-11-2023 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17274658)
That's an odd takeaway. It seems like it's just confirming what Andy was pissed off about - the officials typically warn a player and the HC when a player is getting close to being called for it. Andy wasn't pissed because the call was wrong - he was pissed that the refs didn't do the job he expects them to do. If Toney had gotten a warning on this early in the game, they could have corrected it.
Exactly.

AND, it makes we think that the ref knew it and waited to call it when it actually mattered.

DanT 12-11-2023 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 17274705)
I had calmed down about this, but Dan's work makes it so much worse.
1. Refs have to either warn/call earlier or keep ignoring it.
2. How does our sideline go the whole game and never let Toney know? That's nuts!
3. Toney, come on dude, look at the other receiver.

Refs needs a new response now in light of this video!
When I went to bed last night, the main thing I was wondering about this game was whether or not Toney had been lining up the same way in earlier plays in the game. Orlovsky's remarks confirm what I has suspected. The Chiefs are right to be pissed off about the fact that the refs waited until later in the game to throw a flag. Now, if the refs had in fact warned Toney or the Chiefs before the flag that he needs to line up differently, that would be another thing, but I haven't yet seen any indication that this was the case.

jerryaldini 12-11-2023 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17274786)
Exactly.

AND, it makes we think that the ref knew it and waited to call it when it actually mattered.
And then you have to wonder why. This is how conspiracies are born. Dee Ford all over again.

FringeNC 12-11-2023 05:40 PM
Orlovsky completely throws the officials under the bus and rightly so.

TheGuardian 12-11-2023 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LagunaSWana (Post 17274650)
Proves to me that Toney is dumber than we thought he was, and that is no easy feat...

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/sta...27971618369895
How is this the conclusion you arrived at if he's been lining up there the whole near and never called for it????

Toney might be dumb, but if someone is never corrected one time on it then they keep doing it, are they dumb for continuing to do it???

L take

Indian Chief 12-11-2023 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17274674)
NY Giants fans are laughing that the Chiefs even traded for this guy...
No they're not. I live here. They think he's a moron but the Chiefs won a SB with him as an important piece. There's nothing to laugh at.


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