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displacedinMN 05-01-2024 09:22 AM

purely amazing and gross at the same time.

The Broncos will be broke for a long time

It proves Herschel Walker type deals never work.

Bowser 05-01-2024 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17505719)
The Bills have a functional dead cap of $71.3m and are paying Von Miller $15m. That's $87m that they're effectively flushing down the toilet this year.

That's... unfathomable levels of cap destruction.

Man, the Bills were REALLY through with Stephon Diggs. Would love to know exactly what happened between Diggs and the team that they would trade him to a contender and still eat over 31 million worth of cap hit. They wanted him the hell out of there.

scho63 05-01-2024 09:40 AM

A past friend and golf buddy from NJ was the top salary cap expert working for the NFL head office and then went to the Texans to run football operations.

He tried explaining the salary cap to a bunch of us one day after golf and no one could understand it.

Really complex......

BigRedChief 05-01-2024 09:41 AM

We are paying Mahomes top $, we can't afford dead cap money. It would kill us that year. As long as Mahomes is upright and not running for his life at the snap of the ball, we have a realistic chance to win a SB.

DJ's left nut 05-01-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17505941)
Man, the Bills were REALLY through with Stephon Diggs. Would love to know exactly what happened between Diggs and the team that they would trade him to a contender and still eat over 31 million worth of cap hit. They wanted him the hell out of there.

That money was gonna be on the cap next season anyway.

Ultimately they were willing to eat a little shit this year to save $19 million over the next 2 seasons (the base salary they avoided this year).

If you view it in the context of them treating 2024 as a stepback season to clean up the books (Miller should be off in 2025 as well) before re-loading again, it's a pretty smart move.

The Bills plan seems really clear at this point - they're not trying real hard for 2024. They're trying to plan for life after the Bengals start losing WRs and Kelce ages out. They pulled the chute on what appeared to be a 3-year window around the Von Miller deal and are looking to set up a new one.

It's really not a bad plan.

Bowser 05-01-2024 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17505968)
That money was gonna be on the cap next season anyway.

Ultimately they were willing to eat a little shit this year to save $19 million over the next 2 seasons (the base salary they avoided this year).

If you view it in the context of them treating 2024 as a stepback season to clean up the books (Miller should be off in 2025 as well) before re-loading again, it's a pretty smart move.

The Bills plan seems really clear at this point - they're not trying real hard for 2024. They're trying to plan for life after the Bengals start losing WRs and Kelce ages out. They pulled the chute on what appeared to be a 3-year window around the Von Miller deal and are looking to set up a new one.

It's really not a bad plan.

That makes sense when it's spelled out like that.

My brain went full TMZ thinking that Allen really did bang Diggs' ex (or vice-versa?), and it had become way too toxic there to move forward.

Bl00dyBizkitz 05-01-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17505722)
I watched the series about the Patriots dynasty on Apple tv and one of the points they made in one of the early episodes was that winning the Super Bowl was like a drug and once you tasted it, you had to have more. Then they detailed all the (known) cheating the Patriots engaged in after that in their attempts to keep winning.

The Bills did something similar in their quest to catch the Chiefs. They were monomaniacal in their efforts and put themselves further and further behind the 8-ball with all the contract idiocy and now the bill has come due. The fact that the Chiefs managed to just keep winning while simultaneously keeping themselves free of any salary cap hell is more mind boggling evidence of just how good this entire franchise really is right now.

13 seconds completely broke the Bills. Kind of hard to blame them, they felt they played a perfect game and still lost to their arch rival. How do you do better than perfect? Gotta go all-in, I guess.

Still amazes me how 1 single loss sends one of the most powerful franchises spiraling out of control.

DJ's left nut 05-01-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17505976)
That makes sense when it's spelled out like that.

My brain went full TMZ thinking that Allen really did bang Diggs' ex (or vice-versa?), and it had become way too toxic there to move forward.

It's how I wanted to handle the Clark deal and tried to point it out to the "He costs the same to cut as he does to keep" crowd.

That cost just gets sent to the next year. For the Bills, it cost the same to keep him as it would to cut him...over 1 season. But over 2, you get the benefit of the subtracted base.

It's why most cap maneuvers really need to be looked at over a 2 year window and sometimes 3. There are ways to work it that make a lot of sense when viewed in the context of possible restructures. When you do that - and focus on base salary or roster bonuses being freed up (because the signing/restructure bonuses are baked into the cake either way) you can really see what the end game was.

This was all about freeing up that $19 million in base salary over 2 seasons. the rest of the damage was just a matter of when it hit. And whether it hits in 24 or 25 is immaterial in the rollover era, especially when you have a QB contract that you can move money around on to make things largely even out.

Bowser 05-01-2024 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17505992)
13 seconds completely broke the Bills. Kind of hard to blame them, they felt they played a perfect game and still lost to their arch rival. How do you do better than perfect? Gotta go all-in, I guess.

Still amazes me how 1 single loss sends one of the most powerful franchises spiraling out of control.

The Texans, the Bills, the Titans.......

Mahomes just straight up wrecks franchises in the playoffs.

BigRedChief 05-01-2024 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17505968)
The Bills plan seems really clear at this point - they're not trying real hard for 2024. They're trying to plan for life after the Bengals start losing WRs and Kelce ages out. They pulled the chute on what appeared to be a 3-year window around the Von Miller deal and are looking to set up a new one.

It's really not a bad plan.

Yep, they cant seriously compete this year.. Even if they win the 13 second game they would have lost to the Bengals in next weeks game.

Last year was their chance. Agree with your theory. Wait till the Bengals lose their WR's and Kelce retires to take your SB shot again.

Pitt Gorilla 05-01-2024 10:07 AM

"By my math, there is nearly a billion dollars in dead money on NFL caps this year.

Over $828 million."


And only around half of that is due to Russel Wilson.

ROYC75 05-01-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17505968)
That money was gonna be on the cap next season anyway.

Ultimately they were willing to eat a little shit this year to save $19 million over the next 2 seasons (the base salary they avoided this year).

If you view it in the context of them treating 2024 as a stepback season to clean up the books (Miller should be off in 2025 as well) before re-loading again, it's a pretty smart move.

The Bills plan seems really clear at this point - they're not trying real hard for 2024. They're trying to plan for life after the Bengals start losing WRs and Kelce ages out. They pulled the chute on what appeared to be a 3-year window around the Von Miller deal and are looking to set up a new one.

It's really not a bad plan.

It is exactly what they are doing, And it's the Smartest move for them.

Marcellus 05-01-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17505766)
Some of it isn't mismanagement - it was just paying on credit. Void year dead money is planned, for example.

What's amazing is that we went back to back without any of those shenanigans.

Glad to hear you finally realized the value of Frank Clark. :p LMAO

ToxSocks 05-01-2024 10:47 AM

Good thread, Direkshun.

scho63 05-01-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17506065)
Good thread, Direkshun.

I concur! :thumb:


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