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Pasta Little Brioni 05-27-2024 04:06 AM

How can you possibly "grade" a player when you aren't basing it off the assignment or play call ROFL it's COMPLETELY ridiculous

Pasta Little Brioni 05-27-2024 04:07 AM

You have basement Podcasters try to break it down but it's super cringey

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-27-2024 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17532055)
How can you possibly "grade" a player when you aren't basing it off the assignment or play call ROFL it's COMPLETELY ridiculous

Supposedly, some of their graders are from Bangladesh or something. Without knowing the play call, it is hard to judge.

Sassy Squatch 05-27-2024 05:21 AM

The grades are absolutely worthless at all positions. There was a game in 2022 where Frank Clark beat Trent Williams on back to back plays that resulted in a safety and slammed the door shut on any possibility they could even attempt to come back into the game. He almost got a 90 in PBLK that game. Complete Bupkus.

Danguardace 05-27-2024 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17532055)
How can you possibly "grade" a player when you aren't basing it off the assignment or play call ROFL it's COMPLETELY ridiculous

I mean run, pass, block or tackle it's really not that difficult is it?

JimNasium 05-27-2024 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17532061)
The grades are absolutely worthless at all positions. There was a game in 2022 where Frank Clark beat Trent Williams on back to back plays that resulted in a safety and slammed the door shut on any possibility they could even attempt to come back into the game. He almost got a 90 in PBLK that game. Complete Bupkus.

Frank Clark, the geniuos [CPS] and greatly misunderstood, Chiefs defensive savant. Man cannot grade the Shark, that is the domain of the football gods.

ChiTown 05-27-2024 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17531987)
I think PFF can provide some decent anaysis/info. Sometimes. Sometimes their takes are BS. But I also think that there's not one site or analyst that can adequately analyze the whole game or player most of the time. I think you have to gather analyses from as many credible analysts as you can, like Kurt Warner and JT O'Sullivan (even Jordan Palmer) for the QB/WR general offense stuff, Baldinger for defense, and so on. The idea is to find a consensus among several analysts. If that meshes with whatever PFF says, it's probably accurate. IF not, I tend to go with Kurt or JT or Baldy over PFF.

Baldy’s analysis is generally spot on. I love his film breakdown. PFF is complete shit, IMO.

tredadda 05-27-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17532074)
Baldy’s analysis is generally spot on. I love his film breakdown. PFF is complete shit, IMO.

He does a good breakdown. I just wish he would make it look a little more professional vs it looking like he recorded from the TV using his phone.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-27-2024 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 17532062)
I mean run, pass, block or tackle it's really not that difficult is it?

Whaaaat? ROFL

Megatron96 05-27-2024 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17532074)
Baldy’s analysis is generally spot on. I love his film breakdown. PFF is complete shit, IMO.



Yeah, I probably wasn't clear enough in my original post. All I meant was that PFF's grades were generally worthless, to the point that I rarely bother to remember them, but sometimes their analyses about how they arrived at the score/rating can be useful. Sometimes.

DRM08 05-27-2024 01:07 PM

I don’t trust them. Week 1 of 2022 season against the Cardinals. Mahomes had one of the best games of his career. PFF graded him 70/100, which is barely starting QB level. It made no sense.

Easy 6 05-27-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17532245)
I don’t trust them. Week 1 of 2022 season against the Cardinals. Mahomes had one of the best games of his career. PFF graded him 70/100, which is barely starting QB level. It made no sense.

Yeah they're all over the map, very little consistency

I put this > < much stock in their takes

displacedinMN 05-27-2024 02:50 PM

I dont believe any article or talking head.

gordonelloyd 05-27-2024 06:12 PM

It’s easy to look at PFF stats and ratings, as it’s hard to find anything else that breaks it into numbers.

But I think you have to know somethings wrong when, for example, you look at how they rated last year‘s QBs. The OP’s guy, Stroud, is ranked number 13. given what he did last year and where he took his team, I just think that’s way too low.

I think I would’ve easily ranked Stroud above Herbert, Cousins, Tua, Stafford and Prescott. Goeff(At 10) and Love [at 12) also got rated way too low in my view based on what they did and where they took their teams. I think that I would put Stroud slightly ahead of those 2 largely due to his league leading low of only five interceptions. But I could be convinced easily to rearrange those three rankings.

Purdy came in at 6 and I would leave him ahead of Stroud, although I believe I am a bigger fan of Purdy than many on this board. The top three were respectively, Allen, Mahomes and Jackson and I would not argue too much with that, although of course I feel Mahomes should have topped the list.

So I think the quarterback rankings are a good illustration of how misleading the PFF stats and rankings can be.

Danguardace 05-28-2024 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17532201)
Whaaaat? ROFL

Believe it or not what they are analysing isn't that difficult. Pff grades are largely about efficiency they are not getting super technical did the Linemen move the los, did the running break a tackle or make somebody miss, was the pass accurate etc

What the assignment was is most irrelevant outside of the obvious.

Stop being obtuse


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