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FloridaMan88 02-09-2025 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17961778)
If only teams still defended Mahomes like they did in 2018/2019. Unfortunately, the league has changed. Not just our personnel.

Plus, he had a prime Kelce back then.

Other teams face those two high safety defenses yet still are able to generate explosive/20+ yard plays with more consistency than the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have become a slow, plodding offense that only scored 30+ points once this season, despite having Mahomes in the prime of his career.

JPH83 02-09-2025 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17961792)
They may have the best GM in football, and I say that thinking Veach is top 3.

He is the best GM in football. I agree, I like Veach a lot, but Roseman is top of the tree

Bl00dyBizkitz 02-09-2025 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17961778)
If only teams still defended Mahomes like they did in 2018/2019. Unfortunately, the league has changed. Not just our personnel.

Plus, he had a prime Kelce back then.

I've been wondering about the 2022 MVP Season.

Is it possible that a Prime Kelce was the key for making that style of offense work?

DRM08 02-09-2025 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 17961789)
I think that was the plan with signing Hollywood and drafting Worthy (who does look awesome).

Unfortunately, prime Travis Kelces and prime Tyreek Hills don’t grow on trees.

And I promise you Mahomes would take Eric Fisher & Orlando Brown in a heartbeat compared to the 5 guys that were blocking for him at Left Tackle the last two years.

GordonGekko 02-09-2025 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17961798)
Other teams face those two high safety defenses yet still are able to generate explosive/20+ yard plays with more consistency than the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have become a slow, plodding offense that only scored 30+ points once this season, despite having Mahomes in the prime of his career.

Agreed, the more I think about it, Kelce really was the juice to those high scoring years, like how Gronkowski really opened things up for Brady's later Patriot/Tampa offenses. We need to get a premier pass catching TE again who is fast. We saw it all year when good TE's would tear up the Chiefs defense

Jerm 02-09-2025 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17961800)
He is the best GM in football. I agree, I like Veach a lot, but Roseman is top of the tree

The thing I like about Roseman is that he isn’t afraid to be uber aggressive and will take big ass swings…Brown, Saquon, etc.

I guarantee he tries to trade for Garrett this offseason too.

Fishels 02-09-2025 11:57 PM

Whatever phase gives us another chance for a threepeatn

Chiefspants 02-09-2025 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 17961809)
Agreed, the more I think about it, Kelce really was the juice to those high scoring years, like how Gronkowski really opened things up for Brady's later Patriot/Tampa offenses. We need to get a premier pass catching TE again who is fast. We saw it all year when good TE's would tear up the Chiefs defense

Let’s see what we have in Wiley next year.

tk13 02-10-2025 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17961768)
Phase 3 should be get back to Phase 1.

It's less fun to watch but we were probably a better team in Phase 2. Just look at the Eagles tonight with the #1 defense. Look at what Tom Brady did with top defenses. But they definitely need to be more explosive on offense.

BWillie 02-10-2025 12:04 AM

Phase 3: Fish, avocados, kale and treadmills

Dante84 02-10-2025 12:06 AM

If I’m the Bills, I push my entire stack into replicating the Tampa and Philly plan.

4-5 great pass rushers that don’t require you to blitz. Its the only two times Pat has really looked like shit in the playoffs.

If I’m the Chiefs, I load up on OL for the same reason.

BlackOp 02-10-2025 12:08 AM

I hope phase three starts...the 2024 iteration of the Chiefs was one of the most boring seasons I can remember. The highlight was a blocked Denver FG in a game where they mustered 16 points.

The most dynamic QB has been neutered into a slow prodding, "watching paint dry" offense...doing just enough to squeak by on a weekly basis. I missed a few games this year and didn't even bother to rewatch them.

In the end...it is just entertainment and this current product, while winning, is not very interesting or compelling. It's a stark contrast to the Hill years...

If the Mahomes' peak years are going to be them just slodging along during the regular season...seemingly uninterested in showing anything but the very least necessary...I'll just watch the highlights until the post-season.

BigRedChief 02-10-2025 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17961788)
The only way we can go back to a legion of Zoom would be Rice coming back healthy and us spending some real money on a left tackle and a Sammy Watkins to give us three elite receiving threats.

Not sure we keep McDuffie or Bolton in that reality.

We should not keep and give Bolton a big contract. He's fantastic at stopping the run he just cant cover a TE or a RB in the flat. We need to spend the money and or picks on offense.

Best22 02-10-2025 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17961859)
If I’m the Bills, I push my entire stack into replicating the Tampa and Philly plan.

4-5 great pass rushers that don’t require you to blitz. Its the only two times Pat has really looked like shit in the playoffs.

If I’m the Chiefs, I load up on OL for the same reason.

Everyone wants that, it’s just nearly impossible to build. It’s like getting an elite LT or elite QB

A defense like that is priceless

Bl00dyBizkitz 02-10-2025 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17961859)
If I’m the Bills, I push my entire stack into replicating the Tampa and Philly plan.

4-5 great pass rushers that don’t require you to blitz. Its the only two times Pat has really looked like shit in the playoffs.

If I’m the Chiefs, I load up on OL for the same reason.

Okay do I live in crazy-ville?

The Eagles did not have 4-5 great pass rushers. They had 1, maybe 2. We talked about this for 2 weeks straight.


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