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htismaqe 09-19-2004 07:23 PM
As for a 4-year grade -- incomplete. Kinda hard to grade a season that just started.

If I were to give him a grade for the first 3, I'd give them a solid C. Same old mediocrity as always.

OldTownChief 09-19-2004 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
while this season has been a total disaster so far, and our coaches have been out coached badly, and our team seems painfully ill-prepared in all phases, and our defense is worse then last year (which defies some natural law), it is still too early to give the grade....prior to this season starting, DV had cleared out Marty-ball and given us a 13-3 season with home field advantage

my fear, now, is that last year was our only real chance....we'll see, much to be decided
I agree with you. There is hope......

Raiderhater 09-19-2004 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coogs
There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

I more or less agree with everything here. If I had to grade DV on what he has accomplished thus far, a trip back to the playoffs after a long hiatus insures I don't vote below a C. However I don't have to grade him right now, and really am not in the right frame of mind to do so objectively.

Raiderhater 09-19-2004 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
This defense is NOT worse than last year's. Not by any stretch.

However, the offense is much, MUCH worse.

Quit being sensible, Parker. Damn you.

ChiefsFanatik88 09-19-2004 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by J Diddy
Wait til the season is over.
I second or third that motion

NaptownChief 09-19-2004 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
This defense is NOT worse than last year's. Not by any stretch.

However, the offense is much, MUCH worse.

I think there is a real decent chance that the two teams we played so far have average to below average offenses and if that turns out to be the case I think it is quite possible this defense is every bit as bad as last years.

If the Donks and Panthers turn out to have top 5 type of offenses then I would agree with you.

Raiderhater 09-19-2004 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnier4
I second or third that motion
More like fourth or fifth, maybe even sixth. But who the hell cares.

the Talking Can 09-19-2004 07:26 PM
Dude got us back to the playoffs after a long absence...that's worth a B

dirk digler 09-19-2004 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coogs
There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.
I am disturbed by the fact that last year we were 2-4 against winning teams and now we are 0-2. Maybe we are not as good as we think we are.

Demonpenz 09-19-2004 07:28 PM
where's the check minus option

Raiderhater 09-19-2004 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaptownChief
I think there is a real decent chance that the two teams we played so far have average to below average offenses and if that turns out to be the case I think it is quite possible this defense is every bit as bad as last years.

If the Donks and Panthers turn out to have top 5 type of offenses then I would agree with you.

One thing you have to remember about the Panthers, while they were not an offensive powerhouse last year, they still found away to put the points on the board that they needed. That is a team that just finds a way to win. There were questions about wether or not Jake could carry that team if the need arose, he proved once or twice that he could. Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster are great backs, Steve Smith is a great WR, and Ricky Proehl and Muhammed are no slouches.

They may not be the '99 Rams, but they know how to get the job done.

cdcox 09-19-2004 07:32 PM
After reading the thread header more carefully, and going with your assumption that we finish 8-8 or worse (which I am not at all convinced will happen yet) I'd give the whole DV tenure a C.

Frazod 09-19-2004 07:34 PM
F for decision making

F for having NO BALLS

F for failing to recognize and compensate for glaring weaknesses that everybody but him can see.

F for squandering the offense last year. Now the window's closed.

F for waiving Super Bowl dreams at us while only being the second coming of Marty.

F for sucking the life out me in ONLY THE SECOND WEEK

F for fuck YOU DICK

4321

:cuss:

the Talking Can 09-19-2004 07:36 PM
if we don't make the playoffs this year: C- (he get's credit for rebuilding Marty's mess)

if we make the playoffs and lose: C+ (got to win a playoff game)

if we win 1 game: B (we improved every year, not bad Dick)

if we advance to the AFC Championship or beyond: A

dirk digler 09-19-2004 07:38 PM
His record is 27-24 so if I had to grade then it is a C. If we win the Super Bowl then it is an A.


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