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Taco John 09-22-2004 11:47 AM

I just hope you guys put some wins together soon. It's no fun talking Chiefs with you guys when the board is in despair.

A win this week would go a long way toward turning those frowns upside-down.

Molitoth 09-22-2004 11:56 AM

Carolina beat the ish out of us with injuries to two of thier best players.

The Chiefs this year are just like the Royals and MU Tiger Basketball.... once the media predicts they are gonna win they think it will all come too easy and underestimate everyone else. This 0-2 start actually might be good for the chiefs ego.

Bwana 09-22-2004 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman
This is all BS.
You can blame Carl and Dick.
They didn't address glaring weaknesses, and now those weaknesses are biting us in the ass.

It's that simple.

Ding Ding Ding!

DaneMcCloud 09-22-2004 12:16 PM

Wow, I'm surprised no one has seen what I have seen this year! The Chiefs defense has been playing well, especially on Sunday, UNTIL the 4th Quarter! They were tied with Denver, and then gave up 14 points to Carolina in the 4th. This SCREAMS to me, Conditioning! Vermeil complained that it wasn't hot enough in WI this training camp, and it's come back to bite them in ass. First, they're in the thin air of Denver, then the heat and humidity of KC. Conditioning has been more of a factor than anything else on the defensive side of the ball, IMO.

As far as the offensive side of the ball, John Welbourne has been a major disappointment, and the offensive line hasn't been nearly as consistent as the past 2 years. Welbourne's penalties and bad play has not allowed the offense to get into a rhythm. At times, Al Saunders hasn't called a smart game either, which is a little surprising. But the offense will get better, as the will the defense.

My biggest concern this offseason is now a reality, and it's not the offense or the defense - it's the special teams, especially Vermeil's decision to go with Tynes. Yes, Tynes has a much stronger leg than Anderson and has been putting the ball in the endzone on kickoffs. But my primary concern with the decision of Tynes is that it would change the Chiefs offense and their philosophy, which it clearly has! Instead of going for it on 4th and 1 or 4th and 2, Vermeil instead trots out his shiny, brand new, strong legged kicker for a long field goal. In the past, the offense would have gone for it and made it, thus scoring more points, staying on the field longer and wearing out the opponents defense. This year, he sends out the kicker (who missed), therefore giving the opponent the short field, an easier chance to score and more time to wear out the Chiefs defense.

A little change in philosophy, a little more conditioning and more time with the new systems will go a long way for this team. I envisioned them as only 2-2 to start the season and still think they will win 10+ games.

Remember, the most important stretch of the season is the last 6 games, where 5 of those 6 are AFC West opponents. I believe, contrary to last year, this team will be better at the end of the year, as opposed to no improvement.

Dane
~Not panicked

Gaz 09-22-2004 12:20 PM

I see that, too...
 

DaneMcCloud-

You also have to factor in the Chiefs Offense being unable to sustain a drive for more than a minute. That has to take a toll on the Defense, both physically and menatally.

xoxo~
Gaz
Agrees that the team will be better at the end of the season.

svuba 09-22-2004 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadaKC
I totally agree with Milkman. I have had fits during free agency and the draft as a Chiefs fan since Carl and Vermeil have joined forces. They moved up to get Sims...but he still has not made the impact we had hoped for. FA has been a joke....and the rest of the draft picks have been reaches, drafted too high, tweeners (Battle)...or others of the sort.


Ever heard of Preist Holmes?
How about Trent Green?

Before you cry too much about Vermeil & Free Agency maybe you should join the Elvis Grbac / Mike Cloud fan club?

svuba 09-22-2004 12:48 PM

Preach on brother Dane

Mr. Laz 09-22-2004 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
But my primary concern with the decision of Tynes is that it would change the Chiefs offense and their philosophy, which it clearly has! Instead of going for it on 4th and 1 or 4th and 2, Vermeil instead trots out his shiny, brand new, strong legged kicker for a long field goal. In the past, the offense would have gone for it and made it, thus scoring more points, staying on the field longer and wearing out the opponents defense. This year, he sends out the kicker (who missed),

i call bull again...


since when has Vermeil been a go for it on 4th down kind of coach??

or be real aggressive in any fashion?


remember the patriots game when he didn't go for 2??


how many times in the past has Vermeil said "in retrospect maybe we should of been more aggressive" ??


he's an old school coach, who believes in a conservative, by the book coached game.

Tynes is just fine... it's the coach that needs an attitude adjustment

Gaz 09-22-2004 01:09 PM

Check it out, y’all…
 

I agree with lazarus’ Post #23.

xoxo~
Gaz
As surprised as anyone.

KC Dan 09-22-2004 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John
I just hope you guys put some wins together soon. It's no fun talking Chiefs with you guys when the board is in despair.

A win this week would go a long way toward turning those frowns upside-down.

so true...

chiefsfan1963 09-22-2004 02:01 PM

i've said all along that KC will be slow out of the gates this year, and I believe they can still rebound and go into the playoffs stronger than last season. I'm just not as confident right now given the injuries. right now i will be more surprised that we will be in better shape going into the playoffs than last year or even make the playoffs. if we are 2-2 at the bye week i'll feel better about it. i underestimated the loss of tait and the decline of our receiver corp.

go bo 09-22-2004 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown
Yes and no. Good teams make their luck. Bad teams fall back on the bad luck excuse. I agree that the rash of injuries have hurt this team, but they also chose to ignore obvious holes that were going to be eventually exposed (WR, DB, LB, DE).

well, if junior continues to progress, it looks like they did address the dt situation...

at least...

philfree 09-22-2004 02:16 PM

I think the plan for the offense forr 2004 was a really good one but two of the main components broke before the season ever got here. Bo and Wilson were gonna be huge in the plan( run blocking just as much as pass catching) but their injuries ruined that plan and all the countless hours of planning went out the window. I hope before DVs gone it get to see that plan executed.

PhilFree :arrow:

The Bad Guy 09-22-2004 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
so if we got a MLB and #1 receiver we would be 2-0 and the envy of the league even with all the injuries? No way! It sounds as if everyone who replied is discounting the 13-3 record we had last year as a fluke, and will be happy to see both Carl and vermeil and his staff leave after the season so that we can start a new chapter. shake: :shake: :shake:

You were the one last year saying we were a year away when this team was 5-0.

So now we are into this year, it's bad luck?

It is bad luck that the Chiefs had corner and receiver problems the FIRST year Vermeil was here, and we still have the same problems today?

That's piss poor planning and it's piss poor drafting.

But keep making excuses if it makes you feel better why we have tanked the first two games of this season.

htismaqe 09-22-2004 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
You were the one last year saying we were a year away when this team was 5-0.

So now we are into this year, it's bad luck?

It is bad luck that the Chiefs had corner and receiver problems the FIRST year Vermeil was here, and we still have the same problems today?

That's piss poor planning and it's piss poor drafting.

But keep making excuses if it makes you feel better why we have tanked the first two games of this season.

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