Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16073575)

Anything with colonialism in modern Hollywood that is negative is white guilt/boo the white man. That is the subtext.

It is pretty blatant.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16074190)

If you want to be a victim that badly then carry on. You're def being too sensitive though.

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 6406486)

Just got back from watching Dances with the Last Blue Braveheart Alien Samurai-er.... I mean, Avatar.

I divide this film into the first third and the last two-thirds.

The first third was visionary, magnificent, wide-eyed wonder the likes of which I haven't seen since the first time I saw Star Wars back in 1977. The special effects are every bit as next-level as I was led to believe.

But the last two-thirds of this movie was ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE poor noble savages v. evile white douchebags story we've seen time and time again. There's no need to hide this in a spoiler, because if you've seen Dances With Wolves, and The Last Samurai, and Braveheart, you've all ready seen Avatar. Hell, Cameron even rips himself off with healthy doses of Alien (apparently Jeanette Goldstein is now too old to play the Jeanette Goldstein role, so Michelle Rodriquez has stepped in).

Seriously, I could have written the script as I went along. I knew everything that was coming. EVERYTHING. Either I'm a psychic genious, or this was the most unoriginal story put to film in years.

To tie such breathtaking FX with such a lame been there/done that story, seriously, it's damn near criminal.

**** you Cameron. 4321

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 16074280)

So just to be clear, we can never have a movie or a story about an advanced society attacking a primitive society without it being deemed white guilt? That seems a bit...weak.

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16074221)

For anybody who thinks mocking Avatar became fashionable years later, here's the first thing I posted about it after returning from the theater back in 2010.

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16075572)

Ferngully 2?

It was entertaining enough until the story got predictable; I wasn't really sure how to take the 'connection' angle with the tail thing. It seemed really inappropriate in the context of the film.

I have the Blu-Ray however I don't think I would play it just to watch it like I would some other movies like Terminator or Aliens.

Even after knowing what is supposed to be happening in 2001, I still have no idea how the audience is supposed to understand why HAL was killing everyone or what the whole acid trip through the monolith was about.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16075503)

Honest trailers has one of their better takes on this one.

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16075587)

Funny you should mention 2001. That's another perpetually overrated piece of crap starring groundbreaking special effects and little else. The story, as presented, was largely incomprehensible (although at least it was original), and the lead actors' performances were so wooden that their noses would have grown had they lied. And that interminable final sequence - hey, look a bunch of long helicopter shots over barren landscapes with the colors skewed - woohoo isn't this neat? I remember getting flashbacks of that while watching the equally bad first Star Trek movie.

I did enjoy the book, though. And I loved the sequel, 2010, which featured a solid, understandable plot and world class actors.

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16075620)

2010 was a much better movie that closed a lot of the plot holes in the first one. Lithgow was a bit over the top though. Enjoyed them giving HAL another chance and explaining why he went insane. 2001 had a very good sound track and a lot of models getting plenty of screen time. It was really hard to understand WTF was going on most of the time.

The first ST movie was such a disappointment; I remember getting tickets and being so excited and got stoned to see it and after about 20 minutes we fell asleep in the theater.

The third book wasn't very good from what I recall.

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16075653)

There was a fourth book as well, set 1,000 years in the future. I read both of them decades ago, but frankly don't remember all that much about them, except that Frank Poole was the main character in the last one (his body was found floating in space and revived).

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16076163)

I had forgotten all about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 16287699)

@officialavatar: “Wherever we go, this family is our fortress.”

Watch the brand-new teaser trailer for #Avatar: The Way of Water. Experience it only in theaters December 16, 2022. https://twitter.com/officialavatar/s...043649/video/1

I'll go see this in theaters in 3D.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16288330)

Don't know about 3D. Always seems dare to me.

That trailer shows a major leap forward in CGI. Amazing details in motion. I'll want to see this on the big screen.

Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16288471)

I still wish Chris Pine got the role as the lead in Avatar.

For those that don't know, Pine apparently bombed his audition for Avatar and he joked about it an interview years ago.



https://www.filmink.com.au/close-cas...ine-in-avatar/

Pine is one of my favorite young actors so I would have loved having him in the lead role (way more charismatic , likable and great comedic timing)

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16288330)

Don't know about 3D. Always seems dare to me.

That trailer shows a major leap forward in CGI. Amazing details in motion. I'll want to see this on the big screen.

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 16288908)

Did you see the first one in theaters in imax 3d? It was pretty incredible and I'm not a big 3d guy. It was designed for 3d.
The cgi definitely looks great...but they'll need this to blow it out of the water with most movies now are up to speed on effects when they weren't in 2009.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16289177)

I've been out of the game too long. How do you find a good shroom dealer these days?...

Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16288471)

I still wish Chris Pine got the role as the lead in Avatar.

For those that don't know, Pine apparently bombed his audition for Avatar and he joked about it an interview years ago.



https://www.filmink.com.au/close-cas...ine-in-avatar/

Pine is one of my favorite young actors so I would have loved having him in the lead role (way more charismatic , likable and great comedic timing)

Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16288455)

^^^
You'll definitely want to see Avatar 2 in IMAX 3D (to get the proper cinematic experience that its intended for. I assure you the 3D is going to be jaw dropping. It was in the 1st one . I'm sure it'll be even more incredible in 2022)

The short teaser definitely got me hyped and I really liked the under water shots. I do wish James Cameron would have just called it Avatar 2 instead of Avatar The Way of Water:rolleyes: which sounds so cringe worthy lol.

Also FTR, I can completely understand how some folks wouldn't be into Avatar. Without getting political, James Cameron does hit the audience over the head with some really heavy handed save the environmental messages which I'm sure annoyed quite a few people which is perfectly understandable.

For me though, I just view Avatar as a highly stylized sci fi action/adventure epic and I think the sequel is going to be a blast to see in IMAX 3D.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 16666090)

It's interesting, over here at B&B Theaters they have a gajillion shows, from 9am onward this weekend so my wife and I were trying to figure out when we wanted to go see it. Tons of times were still wide open though so I'm not sure if this movie will have the desired affect of box office opening weekend they want it to. Looking forward to go seeing it, but didn't James Cameron say this had to be one of the top 5 grossing movies of all time in order to make a profit?

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16665721)

I didn't like the first one but the Ferngully script is gone and apparently this is far superior.

It's gonna make a gabillionty dollars

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 16669443)

I apparently was one of the few that thought the first one sucked and don't get the hype.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16678642)

James Cameron Flips the Bird to Autograph-Seekers ... After 'Avatar' Screening



Not the best publicity he could have gotten

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 16680107)

I’m a hallucinogen noob. Went with a buddy and thought I was taking a half gram of shrooms. It was a full one. But wowwww was it an experience. About shit myself on the jump scare. And he cried his eyes out. Luckily no one noticed because of the glasses.

Will report back on my first sober viewing. But man was it visually stunning

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16680696)

I couldn't imagine being in a theater on shrooms. Even if it's just a 1-gram micro dose.

Shrooms are an emotion multiplier.

Kinda annoyed = super ****ing annoyed

Kinda emo = crying your eyes out

Kinda anxious = if i don't get out of this seat imma ****ing explode

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16678664)

I feel like this movie took so damn long to produce that the technology not only caught it, but surpassed it.

From a tech standpoint, the CGI looks like everything else that's came out of Hollywood the last several years.

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 16689372)

It looked great but still just a meh story. Probably won’t ever watch it again.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16689188)

nope

best CGI I've ever seen in a movie

some of the lighting in the movie was absolutely unreal

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 16690173)

Did you see it in 3D?

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16690661)

will never watch that terrible shit

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16690674)

That is one of the points of the movie. I am no fan of 3d but remember watching the 1st one in 3d and it was incredible

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16691830)

movie getting dragged on reddit LMAO

"hey kid, it's not that kinda movie"

Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 16694063)

i don't need to see the movie to realise it's shit...

movies have become wayyyyyyyyyy too predictable...

it's like music now: all notes have been played. it's just the matter of masking it enough to make it seem somewhat original :cuss:

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 16695556)

So because the story is predictable, Avatar 2 is shit? LMAO

Bro, it's an incredible movie and you're missing out.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16695718)

This was a cinematic experience.

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16696642)

Movie is not good.

Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 16696878)

I understand your take, but in front of my 75" flat screen in the basement with a decent/good 5.1 Pinnacle speakers with a wet bar and a toilet beats $20 for popcorn and a coke in most cases.

Gone is your grandpas' 19" tube TV.

Combine all of the above and



You can put only so much lipstick on a pig.

Just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 16696946)

It doesn’t compare to a 100+ft imax theater with no distractions.

And I’m not a big theater guy. The Batman is the only other movie I’ve watched in theaters since the start of Covid. And I’m about to see Avatar for a second time. I probably watched the original Avatar in one sitting at home the same amount as I did in theaters which is twice.

This isn’t about the story in Avatar 2 or whatever, it’s about the viewing. And if you have any desire to see the movie, IMO it must be done in theaters. And IMAX if possible

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16696741)

it's an amazing experience that has to be seen in a theater

cameron harps on the fact that people are not going to movie theaters anymore and instead like to sit at home streaming shit

that is offensive to an artist like cameron, who's movies are MADE to be seen on the big screen

this had to be seen in a theater to be appreciated

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16697056)

by the way, i paid 8 bucks for matinee

come on man

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16695740)

I thought the 3D stuff was far and away the best part of the original; that really put it over the top. Otherwise it was just the same old CGI stuff that even back then had become fairly commonplace.