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Phobia 07-04-2005 02:47 AM

Let us also not forget Anders was a fullback for all but 3 games. Hence his yards and TDs should count for something.

ShortRoundChief 07-04-2005 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
Let us also not forget Anders was a fullback for all but 3 games. Hence his yards and TDs should count for something.


No pity for Anders.

Funny how everyone loved him and then T-rich made him all but disappear.

Rausch 07-04-2005 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
He's not through with college yet. I think some of his coursework next semester (in his 10th year of college) includes alphebetical order.

Screw that, 6 hours of Spanish and I have me a dee-ploh-mah....**** that English $#it...

Phobia 07-04-2005 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
Screw that, 6 hours of Spanish and I have me a dee-ploh-mah....**** that English $#it...

Hell, take your Yukon down to Nogales and you'll get about 10 hours of Spanish.

keg in kc 07-04-2005 03:43 AM

Like anyone other than "The Dominator" deserves a vote. Silly people.

Rausch 07-04-2005 03:59 AM

WTF is Szott and Webster? Offensive lineman not good enough for you? HUH!?!

Rausch 07-04-2005 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc
*smacks you upside your empty skull*

*sigh*

I've been playing thread-dumb-guy for quite a while now hoping to piss off stick-boy.

Only it seems everyone outside of him pointed out the obvious...

keg in kc 07-04-2005 04:23 AM

Oh. Sorry. Didn't mean to step on your master plan. Carry on. I'll edit the evidence away.

Rausch 07-04-2005 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc
Oh. Sorry. Didn't mean to step on your master plan. Carry on. I'll edit the evidence away.

Don't bother, it wasn't working anyway.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
*sigh*

I've been playing thread-dumb-guy for quite a while now hoping to piss off stick-boy.

Only it seems everyone outside of him pointed out the obvious...


Actually, I thought you brought up some very good points.


(Two can play at the thread-dumb-guy game...)

Rain Man 07-04-2005 11:11 AM

Mark Adickes is going to beat up the four people that put Bartee ahead of him in the voting.

Zebedee DuBois 07-04-2005 12:03 PM

From this list I chose:
Allen
Alt
Anders
Arbanas
Bell

This is a little difficult, because I wasn't really paying attention before 1987.

And I will cop to homerism for my Anders selection. I was really rooting for him for (it seemed like) three preseasons, only to have him get injured and not play much. When he finally got in there, he was very steady. Darn his tendon for ruining his tail back experiment.

milkman 07-04-2005 03:39 PM

Hey Rain Man.

I've decided to tell you who the all time greatest Chiefs are to save you some trouble.

Starting with number
5-Otis Taylor.
Big, strong, fast receiver who made every catch imaginable.
Priest, if he can stay healthyand continue to produce at the level
he has will slide in here, especially if he can help produce a SB.

4-DT
His ability to get to the QB and create turnovers was second to none.

3-Buck Buchannon.
Revolutionized the DT position.

2-Bobby Bell
Was the most athletic player ever to put on a Chiefs uniform.
A run stuffer. Outstanding in pass coverage. And if utilized more as a
pass rusher, he would have been among the best ever.
Think Lawrence Taylor, without the drugs.

1-Willie Lanier.
Was the heart and soul of some great KC defenses.
One of the top 3 MLB ever to play the game.
Smart team leader and just a ferocious hitter.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 03:42 PM

I have a feeling that several of those guys will move on to the next round, sidewinder.

Logical 07-04-2005 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Thanks, I lost that website in the great harddrive crash of oughtfive.

FloridaChief 07-04-2005 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder
Hey Rain Man.

I've decided to tell you who the all time greatest Chiefs are to save you some trouble.

Starting with number
5-Otis Taylor.
Big, strong, fast receiver who made every catch imaginable.
Priest, if he can stay healthyand continue to produce at the level
he has will slide in here, especially if he can help produce a SB.

4-DT
His ability to get to the QB and create turnovers was second to none.

3-Buck Buchannon.
Revolutionized the DT position.

2-Bobby Bell
Was the most athletic player ever to put on a Chiefs uniform.
A run stuffer. Outstanding in pass coverage. And if utilized more as a
pass rusher, he would have been among the best ever.
Think Lawrence Taylor, without the drugs.

1-Willie Lanier.
Was the heart and soul of some great KC defenses.
One of the top 3 MLB ever to play the game.
Smart team leader and just a ferocious hitter.


As great as any Chiefs-related post ever on this BB. Rep.

chiefs4me 07-04-2005 08:27 PM

It was hard to choose just 5....

KChiefs1 07-04-2005 08:32 PM

I can see a possible problem with your poll's Rain Man(btw, I have been enjoying them)....you are sure to run into a alpha break where the voting for just five Chiefs is going to be harder than this. What I'm saying is that someone of lesser ilk might make the top 50 over someone who would be more deserving. I don't know if you'll run into an alpha break where there could be more than five, but it's a definite possibility.

go bo 07-04-2005 08:55 PM

an alpha break?

is that like a cousin to alpha male? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Logical 07-04-2005 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1
I can see a possible problem with your poll's Rain Man(btw, I have been enjoying them)....you are sure to run into a alpha break where the voting for just five Chiefs is going to be harder than this. What I'm saying is that someone of lesser ilk might make the top 50 over someone who would be more deserving. I don't know if you'll run into an alpha break where there could be more than five, but it's a definite possibility.

Great Point

milkman 07-04-2005 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaChief
As great as any Chiefs-related post ever on this BB. Rep.

Thanks FC.

I really debated on posting that or not.
I didn't want to step on Rain Man's polls.

But the possibility that KCChiefs1 raised occured to me, as well as the possibility that some of the truly great Chiefs of the 60s and 70s that the younger crowd never saw would not make it to the final voting.

I think most of the older crowd would agree with my top 5, even if they don't necessarily agree with the order.

The only "bubble" pick is Otis, and that's because of the accomplisments that Priest has already achieved.
I just felt he needed to produce and stay healthy for a couple of more seasons to bump Otis.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1
I can see a possible problem with your poll's Rain Man(btw, I have been enjoying them)....you are sure to run into a alpha break where the voting for just five Chiefs is going to be harder than this. What I'm saying is that someone of lesser ilk might make the top 50 over someone who would be more deserving. I don't know if you'll run into an alpha break where there could be more than five, but it's a definite possibility.

Yeah, that's certainly a potential issue. I'm having people vote for their top five, but I may take more or less than five from any particular poll. After worrying about this myself, my initial solution is that anybody receiving more than 10 percent of the votes (which in this case would equate to votes by more than 50 percent of the people since each person gets five votes) will go on to the next round. On this particular poll, that works out to five people.

I might just see how the polls work out and take the natural breakpoint, too.

Skip Towne 07-04-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder
Hey Rain Man.

I've decided to tell you who the all time greatest Chiefs are to save you some trouble.

Starting with number
5-Otis Taylor.
Big, strong, fast receiver who made every catch imaginable.
Priest, if he can stay healthyand continue to produce at the level
he has will slide in here, especially if he can help produce a SB.

4-DT
His ability to get to the QB and create turnovers was second to none.

3-Buck Buchannon.
Revolutionized the DT position.

2-Bobby Bell
Was the most athletic player ever to put on a Chiefs uniform.
A run stuffer. Outstanding in pass coverage. And if utilized more as a
pass rusher, he would have been among the best ever.
Think Lawrence Taylor, without the drugs.

1-Willie Lanier.
Was the heart and soul of some great KC defenses.
One of the top 3 MLB ever to play the game.
Smart team leader and just a ferocious hitter.

A high school QB, Bell was also our emergency QB. He looked good running back interceptions too. Anybody know the height and weight of Bell and Lanier?

milkman 07-04-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
A high school QB, Bell was also our emergency QB. He looked good running back interceptions too. Anybody know the height and weight of Bell and Lanier?

Willie was 6'1" and 245 lbs.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
A high school QB, Bell was also our emergency QB. He looked good running back interceptions too. Anybody know the height and weight of Bell and Lanier?

My initial guess is that Lanier was about 6-1, 245, and Bell was 6-3, 235. Let me see if I can find it.

milkman 07-04-2005 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
A high school QB, Bell was also our emergency QB. He looked good running back interceptions too. Anybody know the height and weight of Bell and Lanier?

HOF site has Bobby at 6'4", 228.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 09:39 PM

Ha! Here's Willie's biography from the Hall of Fame:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=122


Willie Lanier played middle linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs for 11 seasons from 1967 through 1977. As the first African-American to star at that demanding position, he not only was a true pioneer but also the key man on one of the National Football League's strongest defensive teams.

At 6-1 and 245 pounds, he presented an awesome image to any quarterback who lined up against him. He become known and respected for his ability to track down enemy ball carriers and devastate them with the force of his tackles. He was called "Contact" because of his powerful hits on the opposition. Yet he was intelligent and disciplined and obviously much more than just a hitter in his role as quarterback of the defense.

He was All-Pro, All-AFL or All-AFC every year from 1968 through 1975. He was elected to the last two AFL All-Star games following the 1968 and 1969 seasons, and the first six AFC-NFC Pro Bowl games after the merger. He was the defensive MVP in the 1971 Pro Bowl. For a defensive player, he also did well statistically.

Except for his first and last seasons, he intercepted at least two passes every year and wound up with 27 thefts, which were returned for 440 yards and two touchdowns. He also recovered 18 fumbles. Lanier was a two-time Small College All-America at Morgan State. He was a second-round choice of the Chiefs in the 1967 draft and overcame stiff opposition to grab a starting job in the fourth game of his rookie season. He proved to be one of the most durable of all NFL stars of his time. He missed the last four games of his rookie campaign and then sat out only one more game in the next 10 seasons. He doesn't like phobia.

Rain Man 07-04-2005 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder
HOF site has Bobby at 6'4", 228.

Holy cow. Six touchdown returns?

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...p?player_id=24

Bobby Bell was the most highly honored college lineman of the 1962 season. His coach at the University of Minnesota described the two-time All-America choice and Outland Trophy winner as “the greatest lineman I have ever seen.”

It’s hard to believe the versatile 6-4, 228-pound Bell actually began his college career as a quarterback. The Kansas City Chiefs of the then-young American Football League were so convinced that Bell would sign with the Minnesota Vikings of the rival National Football League that they didn’t even bother selecting him until the seventh round of the 1963 draft. The University of Minnesota star stunned the pro football world when he opted to sign with the Chiefs. Bell began his 12-year career with Kansas City as a defensive end.

He excelled in coach Hank Stram’s “stack defense,” which called for him to drop out of the 4-3 alignment and become a fourth linebacker. In 1965, after winning all-league honors as a defensive end the previous season, Bell was shifted to outside linebacker. His size and speed made him ideal for the position. As a linebacker he was named All-AFL or All-NFL every year from 1965 through 1971.

During his career, the versatile Bell intercepted 26 passes, returning six for touchdowns. He also scored on an onside kick and two fumble recoveries. Built in the shape of an inverted pyramid with massive shoulders tapering down to a 32-inch waist, Bobby presented a fearsome appearance on the field. He had the physique to withstand as well as deal out punishment. What made him stand out from the crowd was his superior approach to the game, a willingness to play anywhere even when injured and his great joy at just playing the game. Bell was the first Kansas City Chiefs player to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

milkman 07-04-2005 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
Ha! Here's Willie's biography from the Hall of Fame:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=122


Willie Lanier played middle linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs for 11 seasons from 1967 through 1977. As the first African-American to star at that demanding position, he not only was a true pioneer but also the key man on one of the National Football League's strongest defensive teams.

At 6-1 and 245 pounds, he presented an awesome image to any quarterback who lined up against him. He become known and respected for his ability to track down enemy ball carriers and devastate them with the force of his tackles. He was called "Contact" because of his powerful hits on the opposition. Yet he was intelligent and disciplined and obviously much more than just a hitter in his role as quarterback of the defense.

He was All-Pro, All-AFL or All-AFC every year from 1968 through 1975. He was elected to the last two AFL All-Star games following the 1968 and 1969 seasons, and the first six AFC-NFC Pro Bowl games after the merger. He was the defensive MVP in the 1971 Pro Bowl. For a defensive player, he also did well statistically.

Except for his first and last seasons, he intercepted at least two passes every year and wound up with 27 thefts, which were returned for 440 yards and two touchdowns. He also recovered 18 fumbles. Lanier was a two-time Small College All-America at Morgan State. He was a second-round choice of the Chiefs in the 1967 draft and overcame stiff opposition to grab a starting job in the fourth game of his rookie season. He proved to be one of the most durable of all NFL stars of his time. He missed the last four games of his rookie campaign and then sat out only one more game in the next 10 seasons. He doesn't like phobia.

ROFL
Wow, that HOF sure keeps up to date!

Lbedrock1 07-04-2005 10:01 PM

I would have to say Deron Cherry, Ed Beckman, and Bob Simmons because those are the Chiefs players that I have met personally. Oh yeah JJ Smith because we played high school football together.

HemiEd 07-05-2005 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
I don't think cdcox has to worry about you challenging for his job anytime soon.

ROFL Sometimes I get burned by not reading all of the responses first, this was one of them.

whoman69 07-05-2005 09:53 AM

I can't believe 10 people did not include Bobby Bell. He is perhaps the greatest Chief of all-time, certainly the most athletic.


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