What are you basing this on?

Somewhere in this little document called the U.S. Constitution, I think it guarantees the preacher's right to do this just as it guarantees your right to agree or disagree as you choose.

I don't think the debate is over his right to say those things.

Uh, isn't that what just about everyone is saying? The question isn't of rights, it's one of taste.

I dunno. I think think that sign is treading a fine line with "hate speech" criteria. It's essentially condoning the deaths of thousands of people as being a righteous act.

Well for starters, the Sermon on the Mount, the Philosophy of "If a man strike you on your cheek, don't retaliate, but offer him the other one", and the statement about it being easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Rich man to enter the gates of heaven.

Any of those would get SOME RWNJ's spouting off about damn hippies.

Of course, in fairness, some LWNJ's would be busy trying to shut down his ministry as "insensitive".

the belief that i have that GOD is more about love

and

less about the judgment and exclusion that dominates the far right.



he created the earth and will love it ... even the trees... and would want his children to care for it.

he created the animals and will love them and would want us to as well

he created people with freedom and flaws and will love them .... judgement is mine sayeth the lord.



imo the attitude and beliefs that have twisted the religious right are completely against what i believe GOD and religion is suppose to be about. They have taken their own twisted foibles and perverted religion to suit themselves.

Can we please strive to keep this thread on topic. I don't wish to offend anybody by moving it to D.C.

I agree with your last statement to a large degree. Religion has been sorely twisted by a lot of different things over time.

To get back to the point, though, you said that if Jesus came back to day He'd be a "stinkin' liberal panzy". Are you talking about the same Jesus who said that "if you look at a woman lustfully you have already committed adultery with her in your heart"? Doesn't sound too stinkin' liberal to me.

heh... that was more a sarcastic shot at certain someones around this board. :p


of course there are biblical beliefs about lust/sex etc ... he's not gonna be grabbing a blunt and getting nekkid.

yeeeeeeeeessssssssssss dad



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Ah, okay. Just wondering.

I was under the impression that Texas was the asshole of America. I guess Tyler fits the state.

I was unaware that he whole world was destroyed!! I'd better watch CNN a little closer tonight.

Personally, I wouldn't have put the sign up, however, it amazes me how people wait to attack Christians as hypocrites. The only difference between Christians and other hypocrites is that most Christians admit it, that is why they go to church. As humans it is nearly impossible to not be hypocritical. I too believe that God is Love, however, Love is not always the easy kind, the tough love is what I give my children and expect from parents, so I would not dare to think I have God cornered on the way He would show His Love, or to say that He does not have the Creators Right to clean any slate He thinks needs to be cleaned. I am not saying that is what happened in this instance, just declaring that God still has that Right to do so.

The other cheek parable is not letting a man hit you then cowering down like a scared little girl and taking another beating. You have to be man enough to be able to stand up and whip the guys tail, but then offer the other cheek in order for the story to be valid.

Judging by what the other non-belivers said about Jesus before he was hanging nearly dead from a cross, saying that he was a drunkard, glutton, mamzer or bastard, etc... I don't see where tree hugging hippie comes into play?

Cowardly hippes don't go waltzing into the headquarters of the Jews being protected by Roman soldier ordered to keep the peace at all cost and start tearing up the place.

:)

you've been around different Christians then i apparently


everyone i have ever talked to sees nothing hypocritical in their stances


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pro death penalty,pro guns,pro war ≠ pro life :shrug:

What amazes me is the righteous attitude of some christians.

The voodoo woman remark was in reference to Marie Laveau. She was the first white voodoo queen, mixed Catholism with voodoo, and has been sung about on country radio since the mid 70's.

Its the asshole of Mexico, silly.

Don't make Bob Dole smite you.

(And for the record, smiting is over rated.)

Yeah, but in that day and time, the entire human populated world could not have been much bigger than New Orleans.

-HH

Never said I was righteous, just have accepted the Only Righteous one as my savior. My point is that society as a whole holds Christians to higher standards than everyone else, which is fine becasue we should hold ourselves to higher standards. But the word reighteous is one that loves to be thrown around. In the case you are using it then Sen Clinton believes herself more righteous, Sen Kennedy believes himself more righteous, Cindy Shehan believes herself to be more righteous, did anyone throw that word at them, my guess is VERY few, because the only people in America that are allowed to have opinions and beliefs and express them are not Christians, because we all know they are nothing but a bunch of Judgemental, hypocritical, self-righteous and racist individuals, that play with snakes and beat our children. Don't label the apple because of the worm, because NOTHING is perfect on this planet. Not perfect, just forgiven.

What you are saying is that you are a hypocrit, you just don't go to church to validate yourself.

Well said.

I agree. You writum goodly bohonk!!

What amazes me is the equally self righteous attitude of some non-christians.

Living in a free country it is, at the moment, not against the law to offend people through freedom of speech. However, the right to free speech does not equate to the right to be heard, no where in the constitution does any such right exist. Speaking as a Christian, I don't believe that the sign serves well the church, the community or the faith. I refuse to believe that with all of New Orleans moral depravity that it raises to the level of Sodom and Gomorrah where, according to the story, only one family was worth saving out of the entire two cities. I think it should be taken down and the message, if any, saved for another time.

Man, when did Christianity become the largest and richest victim group in the whole world? Must have never gotten over the lion thing in Rome.

Seriously though, do Clinton, Kennedy, and Shehan claim to have THE answer or THE truth? Christianity does. If one makes big claims they may have to defend it if they choose, ignore it if they must, or whine about it like above. Religions like this brand of Christianity are not "righteous", they're absoultist. They believe there is one right way to do just about everything, and if you differ from the rulebook, it is sure you are going to burn forever.

As far as I'm concerned people can believe whatever they want, but they may not necessarily be free to act on those beliefs whenever and however they want. This sign, to me, does not fall into the prohibited category.

-HH

**** you asshole....:harumph: So some idiot in Tyler puts up a sign and you link the whole freaking state to it....please tell me you are not a chiefs fan.:deevee:

God calls christians to be righteous...why shouldn't they have a righteous attitude? If you're talking about a SELF-righteous attitude, that's a different story. I haven't seen any self-righteousness in this thread. The christians who have spoken up have merely spoken their beliefs based on what God says. Self-righteousness would be for me to believe I'm better than you based on what God says. I don't believe that. Are there people who profess to be christians who DO behave that way? Absolutely. Are there non-christians who believe they're better than christians because of what they believe? Absolutely. As someone said earlier though, its a shame when an apple is labeled because of the worm.

I don't.

hrmph..did you really want me to answer that?

Hillary or Bill? ;)

I would guess that #1, you don't know a joke when you read it and #2, I've been to Texas and it isn't too much of a joke!!!

YES, I'M A CHIEFS FAN. ARE YOU?

hmmm, I thought a joke was supposed to be funny...:rolleyes:



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Poor taste by the pastor...... very poor.

I thought the Baptists said that Las Vegas was the modern day Sodom and Gomorah???:shrug:
....no wait, maybe it was San Francisco :hmmm:
.....oh I give up, this is all just too confusing.

Let me re-educate you to what normal people think I'll do it a simply as possible to work with your username.

1) What NO does does not affect the church in any way. They may not like it but its none of their business.

2) NO is not putting a sign outside of the churchs property saying there is no god this church sucks! Now if they had I would be opposed to that.

3) Its in bad taste no matter how you slice it

Dave

Gomorah is over rated.

If you reside outside of Texas you would have a better chance of thinking it was funny.

As for your being a Chiefs fan before me, I seriously doubt that. As for shitting in my pants, when I saw your response I laughed so hard I pinched out a little turd!! It was shaped like Texas!!

Something for you.....STFU

Does it smell like teen spirit?

If God had meant for Texans to ski, he would have made bullshit white.

(They just LOVE Bob Dole down here. Really.)

More beans mr. Taggart?


I'd say you've had enough!

Bob Dole? I thought you were in North Carolina with Liz!!

What about blue? don't they water ski in Texas?

After all, there isn't anything wrong with Texas that a few stragetically placed special weapons couldn't handle!! Right? (JOKE JOKE JOKE)

But what kind of beans are we talking about? Cool Beans?

Jelly beans.

Beans and Franks.

Even though I completely disagree with the sign, your comparison is off base.
The sign basically shows or shares their beliefs. There is no way you can say it pushes their beliefs any more than you can say a billboard that says "things go better with Coke" does.

ROFL

You prefer Sodomy?

God calls for them to be righteous but not prideful


apparently many forget the "not prideful" part



not surprising really since many seem to pick and choose what part of the bible to follow and what part to not.

true ... but promoting Coke doesn't approve/applaud the death of thousands of people.

dem' evil Christians. :p

Were just horrible people avoid us at all costs.

Actually I don't think you had to recommend that to him!!

But good all the same!

heh .. by yourself you guys are alright, but get you guys in a group and you be some crazy @zzz muthers.



:)

Thats really a whole different discussion, because one could make the same issue with a sign supporting war.

You are generalizing too much. Most of us can have a load of fun and be more fun than what's considered tasteful. You might be thinking of some of the OTHER Christians!

yes, yes you could


:hmmm: seems to me that the same people are supporting both signs

war and death ... sodom and gomorrah

Or maybe they are all supporting "shit happens"!?

Dont take it so personal.
Do you really think Jesus would have put a sign up like that one?

Interesting question. Let's ask Tommy Gavin.

We already know he drives a canary-yellow Lamborghini.

:rolleyes:....so for the record...how old are you?

cause war is such a random event



btw the church sign is trying to indicate the New Orleans WASN'T just a random event ... that they had actually EARNED it by sinning.

Which state's definition are you using.

I never took it personal, that was my personal lighten up francis to laz. I've already stated I think it's in poor taste and several churches ARE like that, but I wouldn't think of attending them.

Let's say I was at the second regular season home game at municipal stadium in KC when the Chiefs moved to KC.

I'm kinda shy about my age. Over 45 at least.

Why, Arkansas of course.

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Isn't that a burb of Sodom?

Lovely, there are Fred Phelps disciples running loose. :rolleyes:

oooooh and oldie.....how much over 45?:hmmm:

Is Fred Phelps franchising?

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ROFL.....now hold on Keg...since when is asking someone how old they are, making a love connection....So if I ask..... say Red, how old she is, it's a love connection....start dating more sweetie.....:p

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