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Simply Red 02-19-2006 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 4th and Long
I'd love to continue this debate but I will, instead, opt for sleep. I will end by saying that unlike others on this thread, I support my fellow Americans in the auto making industry and will not, in good conscience, be responsible for putting them out of work. They have always given me a good product.

USA! USA! USA! USA!


HMMM, Funny. The japanese work in U.S. plants. The japanese plants are now in America. I'll bet you think you can't order pork medium rare either. Kinda the same mentality. From now on, get your advise from Iowanian. He too thinks the same thing. Get EDUCATED!

Halfcan 02-19-2006 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Back to my original statement: Your and idiot! I am in the automotive and medical manufacturing business and we have not lost battle. We are doing very well thank you. We will only lose the car war if these naieve (sp) kids keep believing the Nissan salesman.

You may not care about who owns what, but your decendents will. I might suggest reading some future economic forcasts by Jeremy Seigal.

Autos and medicine-one stop shopping-you would have to be on drugs to buy a Ford-lol. Show me the evidence that shows over, say the last ten years, average depreciation on cars is better with an American car?? Just because I know the facts about the value of cars-does not mean I don't love or appreciate my country-that is just stupid. I have lots of friends on the assembly line-but would not sacrifice my own families future and saftey in a poorly built car-just so they can get some overtime. Within ten years from now, they will be out of business. Those jobs are not coming back.

HemiEd 02-19-2006 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan
Autos and medicine-one stop shopping-you would have to be on drugs to buy a Ford-lol. .

They both have electronics in common, medical is not just about drugs. Next time you are in a medical facility, take a look around.
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Originally Posted by Halfcan
Show me the evidence that shows over, say the last ten years, average depreciation on cars is better with an American car?? .

Your repeated argument, Resale value is driven by demand, it does not reflect quality. Last time I checked Warrantly claims per 100 Japenese cars is in the 15% range, 16 for Chrysler, 17 for Ford and GM. Pretty close, have you heard of QS9000 and TS-16949? They are the absolutely brutal quality standards all of these companys run on.
Here is a link if you are interested:http://www.nsai.ie/Certification_Ser...S/QS_9000.html

StcChief 02-19-2006 01:17 AM

Long term SUV. Think E85 capable.

The Bad Guy 02-19-2006 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red
I had a QX4, but traded it in for a Nissan Armada. My wife drives a FX-35. In the price range you are looking. I like the Saturn,"VUE". Or even Hyundai's SUV.

A VUE is what I'm looking to sell.

I've found some nice used around - Sound a Equinox, Trailblazer, Grand Vitara, but I'm going to check around with my dad because he's worked as an adjuster for over 15 years and knows dealerships in and out around here.

Vlad,

It would be nice to get a Lexus, but I think I would own it for about 5 minutes after my fiance officially claimed it as hers because their SUV is her dream car.

Skip Towne 02-19-2006 10:06 AM

Those little yellow bastards have already taken over Big Oil. SONY = Standard Oil of New York

morphius 02-19-2006 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Those little yellow bastards have already taken over Big Oil. SONY = Standard Oil of New York

Didn't someone already link you to the snoops article last week when you posted that, or is alzheimers already setting in?

Skip Towne 02-19-2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius
Didn't someone already link you to the snoops article last week when you posted that, or is alzheimers already setting in?

I don't remember.

The Bad Guy 02-19-2006 10:20 PM

Well, I think I've narrowed my choice down to a Mercury Mountaineer.

Anyone have an opinion on these?

dilligaf 02-19-2006 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Well, I think I've narrowed my choice down to a Mercury Mountaineer.

Anyone have an opinion on these?

Overpriced Explorer. No resale value. Sorry. Buy a Toyota.

The Bad Guy 02-19-2006 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf
Overpriced Explorer. No resale value. Sorry. Buy a Toyota.

Toyota's don't fit my price range.

Logical 02-19-2006 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Well, I think I've narrowed my choice down to a Mercury Mountaineer.

Anyone have an opinion on these?

I honestly had thought the Mercury line had been discontinued. I looked it up and it pretty much looks like an Explorer. I have no idea whether it is any good. I would be concerned if the Mercury line has been dropped about availability of parts.

58-4ever 02-19-2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Those Durangos don't hold up. Eddie Sutton's flew all to pieces.

A .22 blood/alcohol level helped a little.

dilligaf 02-19-2006 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Toyota's don't fit my price range.

Are you looking at a used Mountaineer?

Logical 02-19-2006 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf
Are you looking at a used Mountaineer?

I take it you missed this part of his thread post.

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I liked the Pontiac Torrent, but too pricey right now. I'd like to only spend around 15 grand.

The Bad Guy 02-19-2006 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf
Are you looking at a used Mountaineer?

Absolutely. They have some good deals in my area on them, but I want to research them more before deciding.

redbrian 02-19-2006 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan
You can get a used Accord with say 120k for a great price, and get another 120 k in miles and still sell the thing for a couple of grand. Try that with a Mustang.

Ran your premise on Kelly Blue Book, with a 95 Accord and a 95 Mustang.

Figured 240,000 miles on each and fair condition and private sale.

The Mustang’s low end is a 2d Coup at $1,650.
The Mustang’s high end is the Cobra Convertible at $4,550

The Accords low end is $1.900 for a DX Sedan 4d at $1,900
The Accords high end is an EX Coupe 2d at $2,830

They also list avg miles for both cars at only 90,000.

Personally I wouldn’t buy a car for every day use with 100,000 plus miles on it regardless of the make.

A low mileage program car is a hell of a lot better deal and will give you a lot longer service.

I also keep a car for a minimum of 10 years and don’t really give a rip about resale value.

redbrian 02-19-2006 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
First personally I will only own European, but my I bought my kids cars new or less than a year old Toyota Celica, Mitsubishi, and a Ford Escape. The Celica and Mitsubishi are clearly superior to the Ford. Me I own a Jag so it is not really fair to compare that to a POS American car.

ROFL That statement is so ironic on so many levels.

Jags are notorious mechanical pieces of crap. Jag owners love to brag about how much time the car spends in the garage.

This problem was solved a few years back when Ford bought Jag and increased the quality of the car pissing off some old time Jag fans.

Don’t get me wrong I love the old Jags but quality and old Jag do not belong in the same sentence.

redbrian 02-19-2006 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Well, I think I've narrowed my choice down to a Mercury Mountaineer.

Anyone have an opinion on these?

I've got a 95 Merc with 130,000 miles on it just replaced the timing belt (went 40,000 miles past when it was supposed to be changed) still running strong.

I like the Mountaineer, see if you can find a program car with 18,000 to 25,000 miles youll be able to drive it for 10 years or more.

dilligaf 02-19-2006 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I take it you missed this part of his thread post.

DAMN, I'm busted.

Logical 02-19-2006 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by redbrian
ROFL That statement is so ironic on so many levels.

Jags are notorious mechanical pieces of crap. Jag owners love to brag about how much time the car spends in the garage.

This problem was solved a few years back when Ford bought Jag and increased the quality of the car pissing off some old time Jag fans.

Don’t get me wrong I love the old Jags but quality and old Jag do not belong in the same sentence.

I don't own an old Jag. Not sure what made you think that.

Phobia 02-19-2006 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Well, I think I've narrowed my choice down to a Mercury Mountaineer.

Anyone have an opinion on these?

Underpowered, under performance, all around disappointment.

It sure looks nice though.

Halfcan 02-20-2006 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by redbrian
Ran your premise on Kelly Blue Book, with a 95 Accord and a 95 Mustang.

Figured 240,000 miles on each and fair condition and private sale.

The Mustang’s low end is a 2d Coup at $1,650.
The Mustang’s high end is the Cobra Convertible at $4,550

The Accords low end is $1.900 for a DX Sedan 4d at $1,900
The Accords high end is an EX Coupe 2d at $2,830

They also list avg miles for both cars at only 90,000.

Personally I wouldn’t buy a car for every day use with 100,000 plus miles on it regardless of the make.

A low mileage program car is a hell of a lot better deal and will give you a lot longer service.

I also keep a car for a minimum of 10 years and don’t really give a rip about resale value.


Well if Kelly Blue Book says it, hell it must be true. How many cars has KBB ever bought-Zero. They are way out of touch with the real market. They still have not fully adjusted for the "Employee" pricing bomb.

burt 02-20-2006 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan
By stating a fact about a product makes me unamerican? I buy and sell cars for a living, I see it every day. 100k and 5years, domestic cars have a huge depreciation.

So you don't use any products from a different country, everything you own was "Made in the USA", get off your soapbox.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. There is no f'ing way you sell and buy vehicles for a living, with your narrow minded way of looking at vehicles. I DO!!! For 18 years. Both foriegn AND domestic. Both have advantages, both have downfalls.

You are obviously stuck in the '80's. Chevrolet is making the best vehicles that they have EVER made and J.D. Powers supports this claim.

IF you knew vehicles, you'd know that the term "sludge engine" was created to describe Toyota's that built up a sludge in the engines. Thousands of Toyota's have this problem....regardless of weather you changed the oil or not. Engines blew.....resales dropped. Not saying that Toyota's are bad, just not infallable. Chevy's are just as good for less $$$.

A 22 year old boy was talking about Mitzubishi's. It is obvious to me that he hasn't driven behind a Mitzu dealer ans seen all the crapped out V6's sitting behind their service department. THEY CAN'T PRODUCE V6'S FAST ENOUGH TO REPLACE THE WARRANTEED BLOWN ONES!!!

Honda is world renown for the timing belt going out....which in turn warps the valves....requiring a new engine. Barring that they are known to loose the rack and pinion.

I believe in:

Chevy Equinox
Toyota 4Runner
Nissan Pathfinder
Saturn Vue

BTW...I don't consider the Vibe to be a SUV.

Overall, I like Lexus, Toyota, Chevy, some Ford trucks. I also like Audi.
They all have SOME issues, which isn't bad IF you know what they are.

Brock 02-20-2006 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer
Chevy's are just as good for less $$$.

Not even close. Sure, buy a Chevy if you want your purchase to be worth 30 percent less the second it hits the street.

Saulbadguy 02-20-2006 09:18 AM

I love how any "Looking for a car" threads turns in to a argument over "domestic" vs "import". Absolutely hilarious how jaded some people are over a brand name.

Brock 02-20-2006 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
I love how any "Looking for a car" threads turns in to a argument over "domestic" vs "import". Absolutely hilarious how jaded some people are over a brand name.

I can't believe there's still an argument to be made.

Saulbadguy 02-20-2006 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock
I can't believe there's still an argument to be made.

:shrug:

To each their own. If people want to spend more money on an inferior product, let them. It does not affect me in the slightest.

The Bad Guy 02-20-2006 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. There is no f'ing way you sell and buy vehicles for a living, with your narrow minded way of looking at vehicles. I DO!!! For 18 years. Both foriegn AND domestic. Both have advantages, both have downfalls.

You are obviously stuck in the '80's. Chevrolet is making the best vehicles that they have EVER made and J.D. Powers supports this claim.

IF you knew vehicles, you'd know that the term "sludge engine" was created to describe Toyota's that built up a sludge in the engines. Thousands of Toyota's have this problem....regardless of weather you changed the oil or not. Engines blew.....resales dropped. Not saying that Toyota's are bad, just not infallable. Chevy's are just as good for less $$$.

A 22 year old boy was talking about Mitzubishi's. It is obvious to me that he hasn't driven behind a Mitzu dealer ans seen all the crapped out V6's sitting behind their service department. THEY CAN'T PRODUCE V6'S FAST ENOUGH TO REPLACE THE WARRANTEED BLOWN ONES!!!

Honda is world renown for the timing belt going out....which in turn warps the valves....requiring a new engine. Barring that they are known to loose the rack and pinion.

I believe in:

Chevy Equinox
Toyota 4Runner
Nissan Pathfinder
Saturn Vue

BTW...I don't consider the Vibe to be a SUV.

Overall, I like Lexus, Toyota, Chevy, some Ford trucks. I also like Audi.
They all have SOME issues, which isn't bad IF you know what they are.

Thanks for the post.

I do like the Equinox and I currently have a Vue.

The problem with the Vue is a variety of things, which is why I want to get rid of it. I have a 2002, that's held it's resale value very well, but it was the first year they were made and there are tons of bugs.

The cabin is so noisy it's maddening. The car suspension creeks.
My Vue only has 50,000 on it, but since it's worth more now than what I paid, I figure I might as well strike while the iron is hot.

HC_Chief 02-20-2006 09:47 AM

Nissan Xterra is nice, as is the Pathfinder. May be tough to find a good low-mileage one in your price range tho'. Check http://carmax.com I had an Xterra for a while... really liked it, but it was slightly underpowered (170hp). The newer ones have the same engine as the 3.2L Maxima... that sucker puts out ~240hp.

The new Ford Escape hybrid is nice.... and it gets insane gas mileage. Again, may be limited due to budget.

I have an Eddie Bauer now... 5.0L V8. It can MOVE, plus it has plenty of cabin space (good for hauling kids/dog/groceries/supplies/luggage/bikes/etc). You should be able to find a wide variety of Exploder EBs in your price range.

Good luck! :)

dilligaf 02-20-2006 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Thanks for the post.

I do like the Equinox and I currently have a Vue.

The problem with the Vue is a variety of things, which is why I want to get rid of it. I have a 2002, that's held it's resale value very well, but it was the first year they were made and there are tons of bugs.

The cabin is so noisy it's maddening. The car suspension creeks.
My Vue only has 50,000 on it, but since it's worth more now than what I paid, I figure I might as well strike while the iron is hot.

It's worth more now than what you paid? Did you find it with the keys in it or something?

The Bad Guy 02-20-2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf
It's worth more now than what you paid? Did you find it with the keys in it or something?

There is a car dealership in PA that undersells cars. I paid 11,900 for it and the retail now is over 15.

burt 02-20-2006 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock
Not even close. Sure, buy a Chevy if you want your purchase to be worth 30 percent less the second it hits the street.

ALL VEHICLES DEPRECIATE. Not just chevys....You ARE a sharp one, aren't you???

burt 02-20-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Thanks for the post.

I do like the Equinox and I currently have a Vue.

The problem with the Vue is a variety of things, which is why I want to get rid of it. I have a 2002, that's held it's resale value very well, but it was the first year they were made and there are tons of bugs.

The cabin is so noisy it's maddening. The car suspension creeks.
My Vue only has 50,000 on it, but since it's worth more now than what I paid, I figure I might as well strike while the iron is hot.

I REALLY like the Equinox!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have heard the issues with the Vue, but I like it's attributes also.

redbrian 02-20-2006 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I don't own an old Jag. Not sure what made you think that.

If you’re driving a new Jag you’re driving a machine manufactured and engineered by Ford, the company you claim sucks.


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