It is, and I agree with him.

ok.

and?

We annihilated Cincy @ Arrowhead. We beat Denver @ Arrowhead.

I think we can hang with NE.

Sarcasm detector was needed. We beat each of these teams the last time we played them.

Granted they were all in Arrowhead.

Just going to cover a few things that have been mentioned.

Has anyone from the Chiefs come out and stated that we are going to convert to a cover two as our base D, or is this just an assumption based on the fact that Hermie has been named HC?


So Gunt, whose talent evalution has been suspect, is excited because the guys he wanted are the ones we got?

And we should be excited?

I'm not excited at all about Bell.
He lacks the speed to be an edge rusher, which is how Gunt intends to use him, as I understand it.

I think we can play with anybody. I get railed on for saying this but I still think schedule plays a part of it. Us and San Diego were two very good teams last year but our schedule beat us down. The players and coaches can't use that as an excuse but as an objective fan I do think it makes a difference. Pittsburgh had the easiest schedule of the three of us down the stretch and look what happened to them. Just like how Indy and Denver used easy schedules to catapult themselves into the bye games. Having to basically play 6 straight playoff games at the end of the year was just brutal. We proved we could play with a lot of those teams, and we got beat up by a couple of them. It's a small difference between great, good, and bad in the NFL.

Just thought I'd let you know that someone out here agrees with him.

And I'll bet you aren't surprised by my opinion, either.

I misread, sorry.

Interestingly enough, I just watched the cincy game the other day.

It would've been nice if we didn't sustain injuries at each level of the defense. I'm just hoping that the other players respond like Kawika did, and the fact that we have a defensive minded HC can't hurt their psyche.

I love the O DV brought, but it was at the expense of the D. not only player wise ( no major push before last offseason), but mentally as well.

Ya, I wonderd why you didn't just give him props.

And it appears to get smaller every year.

Injuries and levels, that reminds me of this one fan that I heard about who was injured by diving over a rail at Arrowhead...





The golden oldies are too good to let die.:D

ya it's funny what your legacy ends up being.

Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.


On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

With the Jets Herm was not typically the playcaller on defense.

nice post, but if these guys aren't tackling, that's on them, IMO.

I guess I wasn't real clear on what I meant. I was not talking on gameday. I was talking more on the lines of the big picture. Give Gun the Blue Print. Then watch over his shoulder carefully everyday to make sure that Blue Print is being followed to a T. A very short leash for Gun.

True, but they are Gun's guys. He drafted most of these guys and/or brought them in since he returned to the Chiefs. The first time he was DC here, most all of the guys were already on board when he got here. To me, it all comes back to Gun.

I've always been a Gun fan. Always. But, Mr. Coogs' arguments may be changing my mind, somewhat.

It's possible that Gun has built his career on motivating players but has been unable to evolve into the kind of strategist that today's NFL demands. Other DCs and defensive-minded HCs have been able to respond to changes in the game, adapt their schemes and talent, and remain competitive year to year. Gun hasn't seemed to be able to do this. This may be his primary flaw.

Does Herm recognize this? I don't know. But, Herm is defense-oriented and Mr. Coogs' assertion that Herm may provide the overall strategy, leaving the execution, motivation, and on-the-field tactics to Gun, may be exactly right.

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Gun had the problem the last 2 years of being saddled with assistant coaches he didn't want, that just plain sucked, and that didn't believe in his scheme. Now that he has his own guys in there I'm hoping things will change. I think Krumrie may be capable of motivating some of the underachievers like Sims to perform. Only time will tell, but I'm not going to write Gun off yet.

If Sims weren't so lazy he wouldn't get injured all the time! Only lazy guys get hurt playing football!

I'm hoping Gun's use of Bell last year was about covering for a rookie on the other side. I know DJ came out and had an amazing game in week 1, but he also made a lot of rookie mistakes throughout the year. Maybe Gun felt that playing back in coverage was the tougher assignment, so relied on the veteran Bell to handle that stuff more often. I also think there's a chance that they were trying to cover for a less than 100% Bell.

IMO, Gun used both our OLBs wrong. It's like he forced both of them to play outside of their strengths. There's really ony 3 explanations I can come up with:

1. Trying to cover for Bell not being 100%
2. Trying to cover for a rookie at the other OLB position
3. Gun is simply an idiot (which even if you think he's a bad D-coordinator, I would argue that he knows the LB position).

Then why did he come here? And if his scheme is so good, then why all the talk from Herm and the players that indicates we are going cover two?

I'm thinking Cleveland, Miami, and Arizona.

I've seen only a few mentions of the Cover 2 from actual coaches. Most of the stuff has come across as media speculation.

My guess is we'll play some situational Cover 2, but I don't think we have the personnel to run it as our base package. If we add a CB or FS via FA, that could potentially change.

That's not to say Gun's scheme last year was good. I think it definately needs some fixing, specifically in the secondary. Some of that may have been coaches, and I wonder if some of it is just a bad mix of players. But we need to put our #1 on their #1 and we need to start playing our OLBs to their strengths. I don't want to completely change what we're doing on defense simply because some guys like Mitchell are really starting to shine.

The way I see it, we'll have a new team playing defense. Hali and Hall will boost DE play. Sims and Edwards will boost DT play. Bell and DJ will have a year of experience in the system. Wesley will have a year of experience at FS. And we could potentially have a bunch of other DBs contributing, including Battle, Pollard, Hodge, and maybe even Maxey.

the coaches cant tackle the players themselves, the players have to do it

I'd go for a slight combination of all three, but in terms of knowing LBer, I think you are correct. Someone pointed out the good things he had to work with and still couldn't get it done last year. I singled on the "vastly improved MLB Mitchell" ( or something like that) and thought to myself, he created that player from the ground up. KM was a HORRIBLE player when he first got here. Gun totally rebuilt the man into a good MLB who I think has a chance to be great. Outside of LB though, there are still some questions regarding his overall coaching. I'm hoping Krumrie will re-invent the DL as Gun did the LB corp.

You're right, Mr. unlurking. He did the same thing here with Bulluck.

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Unless Hermie forces a change, that is unlikely to happen.

To the best of my memory, Gunt has never used his CBs in that manner.

I wouldn't lump Miami in this group, so I'm not gonna address them.

As far as Cleveland and Arizona, they both upgraded in areas that may not really be needs. Cleveland especially has no QB and little in the way of offense.

Sorry to take so long to get back to this issue. Had company all weekend and have been busy today.

I agree that Mitchell was the most improved player on the defense last season. In fact, he may have been the only improved player on the defense.

And I agree with your last statement too. Outside of LB, there a lot of questions regarding his overall coaching. The DC has to be responsible for the whole team, not just the MLB on the LB corp. In fact, I would say the rest of the LB's underachieved last season. Even though DJ had a nice season, I expected much more. And the other side was a total disaster.

So is Gun a qulified DC, or just a position coach. I'm beginning to think he is in way over his head as a DC, nevermind the HC'ing gig he had here.

The last playoff win we had in KC was 2003. Gun hired on in 2004. Our defense melted down under Gun in Marty's last season, and the whole team melted down under Gun culminating with the Atlanta fiasco to end his run as HC.

And the defense/team continues to flounder as we head into year 13 of Gunther.

The last playoff win we had was in 1993. Gunther was hired after the 1994 season (so he was DC in 1995).

We're actually in year 7 of Gunther, 3 years as DC, 2 years as HC, and now 2 years as DC again.

Here's a little tidbit for ya:

We've never won a playoff game with Gun on the staff.

To be fair, Mr. htismaqe, that statistic would apply to practically the entire staff and front office.

I believe that over 2 billion new babies have been born since we won a playoff game.

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Carl has won a playoff game. :D

I'm going to bring this thread back up as we head into the Christmas season. The other thread about Gun, and the post that said "Gun isn't going anywhere, Lamar wanted him here" is what made me go after this one.

I still think we are way behind most of the teams I listed.... and Cleveland did beat us. I also think, in late December, that another team is now closer to the playoffs next year than we are now. Tennessee.

I really don't know when and if it is ever going to happen out at Arrowhead, but my Christmas wish for the Chiefs is this....


I am ready for the house cleaning and the couple of years of 3-13 to 4-12 seasons that follow.


Happy Holidays!

Coogs

Which level is that? The water level on Super Mario Bros.?

woo woo ...... lets hear it for Parker and Goonther.

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