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DanT 05-09-2006 12:43 PM

The NFL's sudden death overtime gave a decided advantage to the receiving team when they moved the kickoff back to the 30-yard line in 1994 (see, for example, the discussion in http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html).

They shouldn't use the 30-yard-line kickoff-placement rule in OT. Going back to the 35-yard line for OT would be one way to minimize the advantage that the team receiving the initial kickoff would receive. A more novel approach would be to implement an auction, as described in this excerpt from Michael David Smith's Football Outsiders column from 24 November 2003:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/87/
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Originally Posted by Michael David Smith
But the NFL could easily fix its overtime, without giving up the sudden-death format.

Why is the team receiving the kickoff in sudden-death overtime at an advantage? Because the NFL kicks off from the 30-yard line. If the league moved overtime kickoffs to the 35-yard line (where all kickoffs were placed only a decade ago), the advantage to the receiving team would be less. If it moved kickoffs to the 50-yard line, many teams (even those not coached by Marty Mornhinweg) would choose to kick, and if we moved the kickoff to the opponent’s 30-yard line (obviously a ridiculous proposition), every team would not only choose to kick, but every overtime would start with an onside kick.

Why would teams choose to kick if the kickoff were at the 50-yard line? It’s the golden rule of football strategy, often repeated at this website: field position is fluid. A team kicking off from the 50 would be able to have its kicker hang one high and short, like a coffin-corner punt. From the 50, teams would generally be able to pin their opponents inside the 20-yard line, and inside the 20, as Football Outsiders has previously shown, the team on defense is actually more likely to score next than the team on offense.

So there is a point, probably somewhere between the 30-yard line and the 50-yard line, at which the advantage in sudden-death overtime would actually switch from the receiving team to the kicking team. Where is that point? It doesn’t really matter. We could simply let the teams decide for themselves.

In my improved overtime format, the team captains would meet at midfield for a coin toss, just as they did on Sunday when the Ravens played the Seahawks. But the captain of the Seahawks wouldn’t decide to kick or receive when he won the toss. Instead, he would have to name a yard line where the overtime kickoff would be placed. Then the Ravens’ captain would say whether he wanted to kick or receive. So Mike Holmgren might instruct his captain to have the kickoff spotted at the 43-yard line. Brian Billick would tell his captain, “If they put it anywhere inside the 40, we’ll receive. Otherwise, we’ll kick.” Losing the toss really wouldn’t be any disadvantage, because both teams can determine what they think is a fair spot for the opening kickoff.


BIG_DADDY 05-09-2006 12:50 PM

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NICE!!!

BIG_DADDY 05-09-2006 01:10 PM

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UFC diff. weight classes fight each other

Pride is doing an open class 16 fighter tournament right now. They had the first fight Friday I am sure you can still get it on PPV. They have also hooked up with Strikeforce to start promoting California fights now that it is legal. We had the biggest MMA event in US history here recently. This is our next one I am supposed to be getting killer tickets to for free because we know one of the fighters.

RockChalk 05-09-2006 01:26 PM

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NICE!!!

thought you might like that one. one of my good friends is from Folsom and we used to laugh about the patented Vlade Flop anytime the Kings were on TV

Amnorix 05-09-2006 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever
Loss of your first round draft pick for violating the salary cap. The penalty assessed to the Donks for their two year violation was ridiculous...something like $100,000 for each year.

Agreed it wasn't enough, but technically it was $1.9M in total, and two 3rd round picks.

Auld Lang Syne 05-09-2006 02:10 PM

NFL: No overtimes, that would force coaches to go for the win in regulation time.

NFL: No headsets in the QB's helmuts. Return the game to when the players controled the action.

NFL: Salary Caps for rookies/draftees - slotted to draft position.

I know the post said any one rule in any one sport, but football is the only good pro-sport.

Calcountry 05-09-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Auld Lang Syne
NFL: No overtimes, that would force coaches to go for the win in regulation time.

NFL: No headsets in the QB's helmuts. Return the game to when the players controled the action.

NFL: Salary Caps for rookies/draftees - slotted to draft position.

I know the post said any one rule in any one sport, but football is the only good pro-sport.

I am fine with no overtimes in the regular season, but in the playoffs, you MUST have a tiebreaking system.

I believe, they should just play another full quarter of football, no sudden death. If they are tied, then they should play another, and another if they are still tied.

The game would eventually be won by attrition, the team with the most depth would usually, and should win in that situation.

Hammock Parties 05-09-2006 02:22 PM

The only rule change I want in football is to remove field goals in overtime. I hate that sinking feeling when the other team gets inside the 30 and you know the game is over.

Touchdowns only.

Calcountry 05-09-2006 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
The only rule change I want in football is to remove field goals in overtime. I hate that sinking feeling when the other team gets inside the 30 and you know the game is over.

Touchdowns only.

The only way the game is over for the Chiefs is if we score a TD, sounds fair to me.

Frazod 05-09-2006 02:51 PM

Any football player who puts cooking spray on his uniform should be shot in the fucking head. :#

Calcountry 05-09-2006 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod
Any football player who puts cooking spray on his uniform should be shot in the fucking head. :#

ROFL

cdcox 05-09-2006 03:43 PM

NBA: Allow offensive/defensive goal tending and contact in the paint.

JBucc 05-09-2006 03:48 PM

NFL: Stop all the little pussy QB rules

NBA: just go away

MLB: Don't give a warning after one HBP, let the other team retaliate first always. Or just have more clear rules and less umpire judgement calls.

College football: Move the offense back in OT

College BBall: Um, I don't know.

picasso 05-09-2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
That's interesting. I haven't watched a single basketball game from start to finish this year. I've watched almost every inning of every Rangers game.

This country has ADD.

That's because they haven't shown any basketball games this year, the market is on NBA ticket. ESPN and TNT have sucked all season. The ones they have shown have sucked!!!
As far as baseball, almost watching a game doesn't consist of sitting in your lazyboy drinkin a beer eating peanuts and a waking up in the bottom of the 8th with your nards marinating in a beer and peanut stew.
There is a reason why they have a stretch - it's frickin boring!!! You gotta take your balls out of the marinade sometime.
I like the comment about allowing the runner to hang on to the bat, that would work for me.

Calcountry 05-09-2006 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc
MLB: Don't give a warning after one HBP, let the other team retaliate first always. Or just have more clear rules and less umpire judgement calls

In MLB I am all for taking the ump out of the balls and strikes decision. He is there to watch only if the batter swings or checks, foul tips, and out safe, fair foul things.

Let the computer decide when the batter takes it.

tk13 05-09-2006 03:58 PM

I've always liked the 6 point idea for NFL overtimes. First team to score 6 points wins. That way if you go down and get a FG, you still have to get the ball back and get another FG. But if you let them march all the way down and score a TD, you lose.

Calcountry 05-09-2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
In MLB I am all for taking the ump out of the balls and strikes decision. He is there to watch only if the batter swings or checks, foul tips, and out safe, fair foul things.

Let the computer decide when the batter takes it.

This one thing alone, would end Giambi's career, and make Jeter an average hitter.

They both get a lot of strikes called balls due to their ability to check swings and make them look like they are out of the strike zone by their body language.

Calcountry 05-09-2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
I've always liked the 6 point idea for NFL overtimes. First team to score 6 points wins. That way if you go down and get a FG, you still have to get the ball back and get another FG. But if you let them march all the way down and score a TD, you lose.

good idea, the one FG is just crap.

Clint in Wichita 05-09-2006 04:00 PM

Football, all levels - no field goals or extra points, ever.

BIG_DADDY 05-09-2006 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod
Any football player who puts cooking spray on his uniform should be shot in the fucking head. :#

We have got to party one of these days. ROFL

Gaz 05-10-2006 05:38 AM

Stay behind the LOS or get CRUSHED...
 

While there are lots of stupid rules, the #1 infuriating rule is the QB slide. Once the pencil-neck crosses the LOS, he is a running back and should be subject to the same rude treatment as any running back.

xoxo~
Gaz
Despises the sissy hook slide.

Skip Towne 05-10-2006 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

While there are lots of stupid rules, the #1 infuriating rule is the QB slide. Once the pencil-neck crosses the LOS, he is a running back and should be subject to the same rude treatment as any running back.

xoxo~
Gaz
Despises the sissy hook slide.

I agree but it will never happen. Primo QB's are too valuable to the league.

OldTownChief 05-10-2006 06:00 AM

I think the basketball should be square.

milkman 05-10-2006 07:43 AM

I would make pass interference penalties reviewable.

I would also have someone not connected to the officiating crew responsible for reviews.

Skip Towne 05-10-2006 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder
I would make pass interference penalties reviewable.

I would also have someone not connected to the officiating crew responsible for reviews.

They'd just send some ringers.

SCTrojan 05-10-2006 08:41 AM

NCAA basketball - reduce the field to conference winners (conference determines whether that's regular season or conference tournament winner) and make it double elimination.

svuba 05-10-2006 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13
I've always liked the 6 point idea for NFL overtimes. First team to score 6 points wins. That way if you go down and get a FG, you still have to get the ball back and get another FG. But if you let them march all the way down and score a TD, you lose.

That would be great TK, it drastically reduces the coin-flip advantage.

MLB - Move the pitchers mound 5-10' farther away from the batter- I want to see hits, plus it would make for a whole lot more action on the field - Also please require the 2nd baseman to actually touch the base on double plays

NHL / Soccer - slightly bigger Goal - Is there somthing fundamentally wrong with scoring?

NBA - call traveling, and stop calling imaginary fouls. Nothing is worse than having a player drive for game winning basket take 3 steps while not dribbling, throw up some garbage, and draw a non-existant foul.

Inspector 05-10-2006 10:03 AM

Apply a thick layer of grease (or animal lard) to the track for bicycle races.

Replace the baseball with a badmitton birdie (whatever the hell it's called)

Add a feature to goal posts that allows the team to sway them during FG's. Only allow this feature to be activated during Chiefs games and only when the opponent is kicking the ball. (Whadya mean that aint fair??)

Dr. Van Halen 05-10-2006 11:35 AM

All Sports: Fewer games. One of the many reasons football is so great is that there is a certain air of desperation each Sunday from both the players and the fans.

Veteran baseball players routinely take Sundays off. Why? Why not. So the team loses a game. One game won't kill the season, because the season is so ridiculously long. I for one think that is horseballs.

milkman 05-10-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector
Apply a thick layer of grease (or animal lard) to the track for bicycle races.

Replace the baseball with a badmitton birdie (whatever the hell it's called)

Add a feature to goal posts that allows the team to sway them during FG's. Only allow this feature to be activated during Chiefs games and only when the opponent is kicking the ball. (Whadya mean that aint fair??)

Shuttlecock.

BIG_DADDY 05-10-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

While there are lots of stupid rules, the #1 infuriating rule is the QB slide. Once the pencil-neck crosses the LOS, he is a running back and should be subject to the same rude treatment as any running back.

xoxo~
Gaz
Despises the sissy hook slide.

I agee. If you're gonna run you're the same as everyone else especially with this new Vik type of QB we got coming in the league now.

listopencil 05-10-2006 01:03 PM

Soccer: Turn it into rugby immediately.
NFL: Redo alignment so it is geographic. Any state with multiple teams, the teams are in the same division and build from there. Name the divisions after legendary coaches.
NHL: Eliminate all rules dealing with location of player and puck during play. No icing, no two line pass rule, no offsides- none of it. Just play.
NBA: Hard salary cap at $25 MIL. All franchises must now donate excess cash to college scolarships. Then they may disband the NBA once and for all.

MLB: Stop televising it.

ChiefsFanatic 05-10-2006 01:08 PM

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MLB- Ban steroids except for anybody playing for the Royals.

Golf- Stop televising it except for the golf channel or PPV. Stop calling golfers athletes

Walking a 4 mile course, up and down rolling hills, and hitting a golf ball about 50 times [from the fairway, or worse] is not as easy as it looks. Then do it four days in a row. And in the down time between rounds, hit about 1000 golf balls at the practice range.

If you were to do this, you would probably not be able to bend over and touch your toes on Monday.

KC Dan 05-10-2006 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic
Walking a 4 mile course, up and down rolling hills, and hitting a golf ball about 50 times [from the fairway, or worse] is not as easy as it looks. Then do it four days in a row. And in the down time between rounds, hit about 1000 golf balls at the practice range.

If you were to do this, you would probably not be able to bend over and touch your toes on Monday.

Wahhhhh! Still not athletes. Hell, I am tired as hell after working a five day work week and can hardly touch my toes but I'm not an "athlete". And no, it's not that I am fat, I'm not.

ChiefsFanatic 05-10-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Dan
Wahhhhh! Still not athletes. Hell, I am tired as hell after working a five day work week and can hardly touch my toes but I'm not an "athlete". And no, it's not that I am fat, I'm not.

Yeah. Say whatever you want. I used to think the exact same thing, until I went out and started playing golf. One day I was stupid and decided to save a few bucks and walk.

Dr. Van Halen 05-10-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic
Yeah. Say whatever you want. I used to think the exact same thing, until I went out and started playing golf. One day I was stupid and decided to save a few bucks and walk.

Your definition of athlete right now seems to be anyone who does something to make them really tired.

epitome1170 05-10-2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic
Yeah. Say whatever you want. I used to think the exact same thing, until I went out and started playing golf. One day I was stupid and decided to save a few bucks and walk.

I defintely agree. Golf is definitely an athletic event... try it and you will understand. It is more than just hitting a golf ball that is not moving. To try it and to see the pros do it gives you such a great appreciation for the game.

epitome1170 05-10-2006 02:40 PM

[QUOTE=svuba]MLB - Move the pitchers mound 5-10' farther away from the batter- I want to see hits, plus it would make for a whole lot more action on the field - Also please require the 2nd baseman to actually touch the base on double plays
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I personally would hate to see the mounds farther away. I actually wish they would heighten the mound again to give the pitchers a better advantage because right now the hitters have a huge advantage.

Also, to be technical... most of the time it is the shortstop who doesn't touch the base to turn a double play because of his slide step. The second baseman is usually on the bag when the throw is received. That being said, they are beginning to call that runner safe more and more often these last few years (still not a very good percentage of the time, but it is happening a lot more now than in the past).

picasso 05-10-2006 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome1170
I defintely agree. Golf is definitely an athletic event... try it and you will understand. It is more than just hitting a golf ball that is not moving. To try it and to see the pros do it gives you such a great appreciation for the game.

Athletic for a 60 year old rich white dude with arthritis maybe. I have tried it and 9 holes are fun - 18 holes is a drunk. Takes up to much land for ball that small and employs to many immigrants to wash a white mans balls.

milkman 05-10-2006 03:04 PM

For those of you that want to improve the game of baseball, the best way to that, IMO, is to contract the league by about 4 teams, return to two divisions per league, discontinue interleague play, and shorten the season to about 120-130 games.


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