Yeah, so what?

You honestly think that Mike Freaking Martz is going to keep a "lesser" talent around just because he played for him before?

Martz wants the best 6 WR PERIOD.

Rogers wasn't one of them.....

Eddie Drummond, Shaun Bodiford > Charles Rogers

we are talking about taking a flyer on a potiential guy for a minimum salary by cutting nate "freakin" curry, go godsake.

little/no risk with a chance for good reward.

:shrug: WTF is anyone against it?

I've been wondering that myself.........sometimes I wonder what the hell people around here are thinking. My god if you want Rogers you obviously must think he can start for the team! I still think a bunch of people didn't notice how horrible these WR's were in preseason.

Hopefully Titus won't pull up the thread from a couple years ago where I mentioned that maybe the Chiefs should trade LJ for Rogers.

But in my defense, LJ was rotting on the bench at the time, had gotten arrested for the 2nd time for domestic assault, and Johnny Morton was our 2nd WR.

We are talking about taking a flyer on a guy who has shown nothing but "potential", a penchant for injury and character/substance abuse issues for a minimum salary by cutting nate "freakin" curry or Webb, for godsake.

little/no risk with a little/no chance for good reward.

:shrug: WTF is anyone for it?

"Change for the sake of change"?

IMO, if Mike Martz thought there was an OUNCE of potential left in Rogers, he would have kept him on the roster.

Instead, he kept Mike Furrey, Eddie Drummond and Shaun Bodiford.


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Check it out.......Dick Vermiel posts on the board "We're going with our guys that have been here and know the system, obviously Chris Hannon is better than Charles Rogers."

Listen, if he can find his way from KCI to Arrowhead on his own, I guess I wouldn't complain if they gave him a contract. But from everything I'm hearing, the guy simply cannot grasp what his job is at this level, and it doesn't seem very important to him on top of that. It's pretty far from an exciting prospect, as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea whether or not Jeff Webb can play, but I'm already pretty convinced that Charles Rogers can't.

Money....for what they were paying him Rogers probably should be cut. Also Drummond really isn't a factor he's on the team cause hes the return man.

Why not? If he comes here and sucks cut him and move on like it never happened. If he can get his head on straight he is a good athlete and can help us at a position we aren't very deep at. I guarantee you Trent isn't going to take any shit from him in the huddle and that Herm, Carl, and Lamar will back him up on it. I guess it doesn't matter anyway since we aren't going to bring him in.

I'm not saying "Chris Hannon" or any of our PS guys are clearly better. I'm saying I don't see a bit of difference between them. Again, just because the guy was great in college doesn't mean squat in the big leagues. Very nice misrepresentation of my position...almost worthy of DC.

If the guy had a lick of talent at this level, do you really believe Martz wouldn't have been pushing to keep him?

I hope you are right.

If the Chiefs are keeping 5 WR's which I think they are...they need to sign one who's cut and Rogers is likely going to be the best one.

Umm, I don't, Martz is an idiot.

Rogers is a ridiculous physical talent and has all the tools to be a Pro Bowl WR. Maybe getting cut will be a reality check for him, and getting him away from Detroit and all his homeboys from school would help him get his career back on track.

We really have nothing to lose and everything to gain by signing him. Gambles like this help teams win championships.

I believe Parker's sig line clearly applies to this statement.

People said the same about Todd Marinovich. And Ryan Leaf.

No way man Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon 4-Life!

I agree with you in all honesty....But we apparently don't need any great physical talents at WR we just need some guys who work hard but really aren't very good.

Ha ha ha, yeah. Sure they do. I'll wait here while you find an example that's comparable.

Hannon and Webb might suck.

Charles Rogers has already removed all doubt that he sucks.

Of course....thats been Carls's philosophy for the past 17 years. Heck, it took him 13 years to finally draft a Franchise RB.

Let's not mention he was playing with Joey Harrington..... Here's a post from a Lions fan on the guy....

Wow, I will not try to hide the fact that I am a Detroit Lions fan, I will cheer for that team until the day I die, but it is just sureal that they have actually cut Charles Rogers. I watched Charles Rogers play high school football, and was a man agmost boys. Then I saw him tear it up at Michigan State, making Highlight reel cathes there. I was very excited when the Lions drafted him #2 overall, behind Carson Palmer mind you back in 2003. Two dirty drugs test later, two seasons out with a collar bone injury and he is gone. What the **** is it with the Lions, only in detroit could Charles Rogers become a bust.

Also the fact that he is from there probably didn't help he had a ton of pressure to be that teams savior.

Nothing made me happier as a kid than watching complete ass Wr's like Lake Dawson.

As a HC, I agree. Name 5 better OC's

WAS a ridiculous physical talent. In college. He's shown nothing in the pros.

IF Rogers catches on somewhere else, his "homeboys" will follow him there to mooch off of him. Detroit and his crew aren't the problem. His lack of talent and good attitude is.

Charles Rogers is not the missing link to a SB run......


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So was Roy Williams. Why didn't he get cut?

Off the top of my head, here are some "bad apples" that helped their new team win a championship: Corey Dillon, Keyshawn Johnson, Simeon Rice.

Post Roy Williams awesome stats.....oh that's right he doesn't have them either. Rogers is the one furtherest along into his contract also he's been suspended. But in fairness Roy Williams has also had a ton of injury problems and hasn't been that productive, he's actually more physically talented than Rogers is he's a freak.

Of course you could say Roy has attitude problems too seeing as he and Kevin Jones hate each other.

Everyone thought Rice was a complete scrub bust in Arizona then he went to Tampa and became one of the best players in the league.....

I don't remember any of those guys completely sucking with their first team.

That's very unfair of you, jsp. Rogers has proven time and time again that he can perform at a high level in the NCAA against many CBs who didn't even make it to an NFL training camp, and he was spectacular. Just because he can't cut it in the NFL is no reason that you completely disregard everything that he's done at a sub-amatuer level!

Alot of people had labeled Rice as a bust when he went to Tampa....

Don't know about that. He was pretty dang good in Arizona all but one year.

There is a massive difference between those guys and Charles Rogers. All three of those guys were very, very productive before going to their 2nd team.

Being a great OC doesn't mean you are a great talent evaluator.



So at 25 years old his talent has evaporated? I'm gonna call BS on that.


Okay, thanks Miss Cleo

Rice had 51.5 sacks in 5 years with Arizona. That is not a bust.

I like how everyone was pissed off that Vermiel wouldn't add players after camp started......then a guy gets cut and they turn into Vermiel and don't want anyone.

So uh guys make up your mind.

They might not be exactly synonymous with Rogers, but my original point was that adding a "bad apple" has helped teams win championships in the past.

You're joking, right? Compared to Charles Rogers, Roy Williams looks like Jerry Rice.

Are his numbers awesome? No. But if Rogers' excuse is Joey Harrington, Then why can Williams, or Scottie Vines for that matter, have at least mild success?

Rogers hasn't done shit in 3 years in the league.

I remember alot of people thinking he was "ok" but nothing like they thought of him after he went to Tampa and become a great player.

I'm all for bringing the guy in for a workout, I don't think it could hurt.

But, I think some of these guys are making the point not that he's a bad apple, but he's not been productive.

I also like how some bring up the excuse "he was injured"

If that's the case, then why haven't we seen Sylvester Morris in a Chiefs uniform lately?

People around here would rather have Chris Horn than Charles Rogers, that's just how fans are. We'd rather have hard working never will be white boy than the all world talent that needs some work cause he has some problems. I don't agree with that philosphy but I see it on here constantly.

Are you one of those guys who wouldn't want TO on this team no matter what?

:bong: Nice false choice. Just because I don't want your favorite lazy walking-wounded pothead, doesn't mean I'm averse to actually bringing in a player with talent.

That is painfully bad analysis. Corey Dillon was a pro-bowler, for chrissake, as was Keyshawn Johnson. None of them were potheads, and none of them missed entire seasons due to chronic injury. Try again.

Blowing out your knee and not being able to run anymore is a little different than breaking your collarbone.

You're totally missing the point.

It's not that anyone doesn't want to upgrade players. It's that people don't think that an injury-prone pothead bust is an upgrade.

If 50+ sacks in 5 years is a bust, I hope Tamba Hali is a massive bust. I don't really care what people "think", that's not a bust.

Chris Horn has better career stats than Charles Rogers, plays special teams, and isn't a reefer.

Yes, I would rather him than Rogers. I guess I'm and idiot

IIRC,

The Patriots had won the SB the year before Dillon. They won 2 more just because of his presence? Doubtful. They were a great TEAM, with and without him.

The Bucs were in the NFC title game the year before Key, Rice.

You're speaking of teams that were playoff/SB contenders every year.

The Chiefs do not fall into that category.

Well atleast you know........I guess people don't like talent around here. Like I said before if we were set at WR I wouldn't be for this but we need help at the position.

Of course. Charles Rogers has shown so much talent at the NFL level. How could we ever have doubted him?

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

ROFL

IMO, that argument is sillier than the argument that he is a bad apple.

I will be the first to say that his NFL career thus far has been a huge disappointment. But the guy was an absolute monster in college and I simply don't believe all his talent has just disappeared. He has elite size, elite speed, elite hands....physically he's everything you look for in a top shelf WR. Who knows if he can ever put it all together and become a great WR, but what do we have to lose signing him to a one year deal?

You keep saying Rogers has talent.

Where is it? Is it hiding? Can Herm Edwards be the guy to find that talent?

That's the thing we have 0 to lose in signing him yet some people don't want him anyway. That would be like someone handing you a bunch of free lottery tickets and you going "I don't want them pieces of shit won't get anything anyway"

He was taken second overall, what more do you want?

Free? Rogers is going to play for free? Hell, bring him on.

Ryan Leaf had all those crazy physical skills too. That is far from a silly argument. There's a lot more to playing football than having great physical skills. I said I'm all for bringing him in for a workout to see what he looks like, I don't know what more you could ask for. I don't think we should blindly sign him, but he's worth a look. Doesn't mean he'll amount to anything, but there's a big difference from "can't hurt" to "championship move".

He asked me a question about Sylvester Morris not being around anymore WTF do you want me to say? "I'm sorry you are a moron for asking me that I'm not even going to explain it".

Agreed. If he will play for free, bring him in for the PS.

I don't think Rogers has near the emotional issues Leaf had.....I haven't seen him scream at camera men and be restrained by his teammates.

How about "Charles Rogers is a lazy injury-prone pothead who hasn't proved a damn thing in the NFL"?

Once again- Charles Rogers <= Todd Marinovich.

I forgot man the Chiefs are by far the best and most talented team in the NFL......we don't need any help, we don't need to look at any players that may possibly help us out. :rolleyes:

I'm saying he either doesn't have the talent to play at this level, the smarts to play at this level, or the desire to play at this level.

See:

Ryan Leaf
Curtis Enis
Tony Mandarich
Tim Couch

This list goes on.

Some guys just aren't cut out for the NFL.

Guys like Rogers and the guys on the list above all come into the NFL thinking that they don't have to bust their asses, because they were the shit in college.

And because of that, in addition to a lack of talent, desire and/or smarts, they're all out of the league......

Just keep pounding that false choice, and maybe someone else around here will back you up on it. :LOL:

How many times are you going to claim that just because I don't want that POS=I don't want to ever "look at any players that may possibly help us out".

Are you one of those people that would tell me Terrell Owens isn't a great player too?

Give me your suggestion at WR then because that is the position we need the most help at........are you going to give me a great suggestion like Darius Watts who can't catch a cold?

No. A better example would be you have no money (no free roster spots) and a 1990 Ford Escort with 200,000 miles on it. It still runs, but it's far from a nice car. Someone offers you a Ferrari with a shitload of problems with it and says "I'll trade you cars. If you can get the car to work, then congratulations."

So say you trade cars and you can't get the Ferrari to work. You have no car.

Well, no, but Rogers obviously hasn't put forth the effort needed to succeed yet. He wouldn't be on market if he did. Maybe he can find it, but he obviously hasn't done things right.

Joiner, Solari, and Edwards don't seem to be in a rush to pick up a WR. Maybe they know a little more about the situation we're in than you do.

Darius Watts has proven as much at the NFL level as Charles Rogers has. :harumph:

That said, I wouldn't want either.

Get this through your skull. Every team has a few weak spots, including KC. If we HAVE to sign someone as a fifth WR, I'd much rather take a chance on someone like Todd Pinkston who has at least shown a little something more than "potential" at this level.

You like him, I don't. By all means, continue your wanking over Mr. Rogers.

I agree with that, that is why he is available. I see no harm in seeing if we can turn him around and having a steal there. If it doesn't work out then you let him go, no harm for trying.

Hell, an unwanted vet would be better than Watts

Todd Pinkston signed with the Vikings........also he's a WR who ruptured an achillies something extremely difficult to come back from at that position.

I've always liked you Mecca, but that's reeruned.

I mentioned Talent, Desire and Smarts.

TO has all three of those in spades. The only thing you can fault him for is listening to his idiot agent. TO may have an attitude problem, but on the field, he busts his ass to be the best.

Rogers has shown that he's missing some/all of the above traits.

Personally, I think he has the talent. His big ass ego and lazy ass attitude has gotten in the way.

I don't, however, think he has the desire or smarts to play at this level.

He's a #2 pick who thought he could just dance through the NFL because of his college resume.....

As we've had crappy WR's for my entire lifetime........

Really? Because all I've seen is Trent Green's 3 consecutive 4000 yards passing seasons.

That's just me though

I was just messin with you a bit...........

There are honestly people on here that will tell you Owens doesn't have HOF stats and a guy like Hines Ward is better and reeruned shit like that. If you personally despite Owens he is a great player, HOF caliber. People have this dillusional idea that a guy who works hard and doesn't say much is better than the guy who speaks his mind and that's just not always the case.

Doesn't change the fact that we've always bad pretty blah WR's.......name a team that's gone longer than the Chiefs without having a true elite #1 WR....I don't think there's a team.

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Indeed. [Awaiting another Mecca "We never should have signed Eddie Kennison" or "Nobody wants to sign anyone because they don't want to sign Charles "Puff Puff Pass" Rogers" statement.]

Perhaps that proves you don't need a "true elite #1 WR" to run a very successful offense... :hmmm:

I'm sure that makes our WR's on par with the Bengals right......you guys keep on thinkin whatever you want.

The Patriots? :shrug:

Oh, and they've got something better than 3 consecutive 4000 passing seasons... 3 SB rings.

Bottom line: I don't care if we put Carol Vermeil, Bea Arthur, and Gilbert Gottfried out there as our WRs. If it equals production and an offense like we've had in the past, I'm cool with that.

Thank you for your permission to think for myself. You have my gratitude.

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