IOW, sinners. Wow, immagine that, a bunch of sinners going to a place where they are trying to be healed. Kind of like the sick going to a Hospital.

Calling was more of an issue, I think. But maybe not. Calling tends to be at more inopportune times, for the most part too. Earlier than, later than, and during dinner time kinds of issues arise.

You must live in a wierd neighborhood or community, compared to mine anyway. I can count on one hand the number of times someone's knocked at my door about religion. Ever. Seriously. I say, "no thanks" basically....and they, in each instance, have said, "Okay. Thanks. Have a nice day" or whatever and went on their way.

Politicians and business solicitations on the other hands, I get 3 or 4 a month, I suppose.

Yeah...pretty cheap.

Nothing will make Logical happier than seeing the religous folks and the non-religious folks sniping at each other in this thread.

As I mentioned earlier, I live in a town with a bible college. Apparently they encourage this, because on any given day, within 15 minutes, I'd wager I can find two young men walking door to door in suits trying to talk to people or give them some stupid pamphlet.

I'm sure that plays more than a small part in my attitude on the subject.

Well... he is the self-proclaimed "Evil Mastermind"...

:Pinky:

Eh. There you go. I missed that nugget earlier, sorry. It makes more sense now.

You don't mess with JSP, he's hardcore man. The only guy I know who will tell a little girl scout to suck his dick when she's knocks on his door selling candy.

I wonder how all his fans at Warpaint would feel about that?

Maybe you should invite them in to watch some of that hardcore porn your into. That would teach them.

Ohhh... Now it's clear why you get a little ticked off... If it's Faith Bible you're talking about--they're part of the indy fundy tradition in which I don't think they know how to do anything other than the knockin' and knockin' and knockin' thing...

For fun I've visited some of those churches--one was offering $50 prizes to the kid who brought in the most "Soul-Winning Contact Information Cards" (which that even ticks me off). And I don't think they know how to take "no/go away" for an answer.

Don't judge all us "door-knockers" by their standards... We're all not quite that annoying, at least not usually... :)

Hey, I heard a pitbull chewed off an infant's toes yesterday.

LMAO

To be perfectly frank, the minute you knock you are as bad as the rest of them.

If I want to find god, there are plenty of huge lavish buildings around that would gladly accept my money to help me find him. I don't need or want your help.

Where is Skip with a "Shut up N00b" when you need him.

That is a great idea.

I'm a bit selective with who joins me in watching porn.

So what do you do with them? give them some steroids and lecture them about the pussification of america?

When JSP finds god he's just going to tell him to **** off anyway because that's just the kind of guy he is, Mr. Hardcore.

Gotta have fun bags huh? Can't say I blame you for that one.

No, my dog goes to the door and scares them off. One more reason to own a pit bull.

Well then, I'll just give you this invitation here: If you're ever in the Louisville area, you're more than welcome to come and try to "find God" at the church I pastor--we've got the plain looking building out on the country road. And hey, we don't even want you're money while you're in the process of "finding"...

You better have some nails for him to chew on during the service.

The Church of GoChiefs doesn't listen to apostates and false prophets.

I was thinking of something a bit softer and less pointy--he just might spit the nails at me...

:jester:

People have strange ways of getting their jollys.

ROFL

Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.

Glad to see you have a raging boner for me today.

It's a pretty select group that gets to be a target of BD's pathetic stalking.

Just don't hurt me dude, I'm on your side really.

oh wait a minute, Yahweh wrote on the walls of Assyria so the unelected could see, He had several group of people not Israelites that Yahweh talked to and didn't curse the jews. He talked to Saul and then let him become a reprobate. He refused the offering of Cain and talk to him and such. Don't be so sure that god didn't tell me himself. He is a truthful god isn't he. And if you ask. . .

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

I go to Church almost every Sunday. Get off my porch.


(Just kidding, I don't have a porch, and it doesn't bother me that much. Still, I would say it's unnessary and hurts "the cause")

This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.

When I say 'you', I mean everybody not just you personally.
You should be spreading the good news because you want to, not because you are commanded to. If the Chiefs started selling all of the remaining available tickets for $5, you would make a post on here and spread the good news because you wanted to, not because Carl Peterson said that you had to if you wanted to be considered a true fan. And if you did go door to door you wouldn't be telling everybody that they were going to have a horrible afternoon of boredom, lest you buy a ticket to the game.

The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

I go to and am involved in a great church. When my aunt invited us to come the first time I did not want to give up football tailgating, did not want to give up all of time needed to be involved in church, and was not interested in hanging out with a bunch of hollier than thou Jesus people. What I found was a group of people like me, just regular people that watch sports and play FFL. I am not a preacher and will not attempt to preach the Gospel, but I will invite people to my church because it is possible that they will enjoy it as much as I do.

That being said, if you would like to hear a Classical Christmas Concert with a full orchestra free of charge, we are having one this Sunday at 10:15 and 7pm. I can promise you that nobody will try to save your soul and they specify that visitors and guests are NOT to put any money in the offering plate. You will also have the chance to see a fellow fat, white, Chief's Planeteer sing a solo in Nigerian.

I don't knock on a lot of doors, but I am glad you weren't behind the few that I have knocked on!

A couple of years ago Time magazine took a poll, and it said that 20% of non-church goers would have gone to church on Easter Sunday if somebody would have invited them. We have a nice Easter service, and our pastor challenged us to invite 20 people to church by giving them a professionally printed invitation. I was reluctant to participate, but we took some baggies, filled them up with Easter candy and put an invitation in them. I am 6'1", 250 with facial hair and tatoos so I was afraid that some people would be afraid to open their doors so I took my kids with me. We knocked on 20 doors, told them that we go to a great church and invited them to come on Easter Sunday, and walked away. At least half of them continued the converstation by asking where our church was or by thanking us for the candy. Only one guy appeared not to be pleased by the disturbance, but I think the candy made up for it.

Amen, only God can do that anyway, we merely are to plant the seeds and water the crop, and bring in the harvest.

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Define "love".

By virtue of the fact you would defend an animal that has no value other than killing, maiming, and being destructive, you have no credibility on almost any subject you would approach.

I'm with ya on this one, dude. Unless it's Jessica Alba handing out $1000 bills, they're getting a face full of door slivers.
:)

Hey, if you're sick, you go to the doctor. If and when a person feels that got something wrong with them spiritually, I trust they'd know how to at least get to someone who could point them in the right direction.

Z

Why are you trying to bring Bill Romanowski into a religious discussion?

Some people just shouldn't post.

Well if sales people are allowed to personally invade my space and home, I think there's a problem. What's the use of owning a home then? Doesn't privacy mean anything to anyone these days?

Don't people get bombarded with advertising enough? I get a sh*t ton of meaningless and worthless advertising in my mailbox everyday. I get spammed by companies selling products in which I am not interested and I'm literally overloaded with commercials when watching live sporting events (I Tivo anything else that I would normally watch on TV. Now you're going to tell me that our *economy* wouldn't be the same without endless advertising and sales people? I call Bullsh*t again.

If anything, an unsolicited salesman bothering me is NEVER going to get my business. Ever. And since when is Religion considered a business? Oh yeah, that's right. Right about 330 AD when the Non-Christian Roman Emperor decreed that everyone within the Empire is now a Christian. Politics and sales, pure and simple.

I think the solution is simple. If its your property put a "No Trespassing" sign up. Maybe add a warning if they do. Those without such signs will be fair game.

I always told my daughter when she was 5&6 years old in her Brownie uniform selling cookies that if someone said "no" it was okay...because some will say "yes". Other than that I hid in the bushes while she knocked on each door. I can't do it at all.

Yes that's what I'm telling you. If it didn't work compnaies wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. What do you do for a living?


BTW the no trespassing sign is really simple. Bottom line is you will spend the rest of your life getting bombarded with advertising and sales. It's just the way it is unless you want to move to shack in the mountains and have no TV or radio. You would still get mailers. LMAO

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

1.8 million dollar home in Hollywood ...why dont you just pull it under a different overpass. They won't find you then.

Okay, I shouldn't have included Advertising in my response. That was an error on my part. But Cold Sales Calls? Does that work on anyone?

Ephesians 2:8-10 (Chieficus paraphrase): We're saved by grace through faith, not by works...but we're saved with part of the result that we're to do good works...

I agree that Christians need to be doing more--serving the community, feeding and clothing the needy poor, caring for the widows and orphans, picking up trash along the roadways, inviting the neighbors over for dinner or offering to watch their kids for a night, etc.... and then also share the Gospel, which does include some of the doom and gloom--we are speaking of salvation from the judment of God, devestation of sin, and the horror of hell hear...

My fear is that a lot of churches have reacted to the "soul winnin' without people serving" mentality by swining the other way: We're going to serve you but we aren't going to tell you anything that might offend you. We've gone from evangelism without service to service without evangelism when what we need is both.

The Gospel is a confrontive thing--it makes people agitated and uncomfortable at times, but if we truly believe that men and women are lost and dying in their sins, then we've got to share the reality of hell and the hope of Christ. It's as Paul said, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation..." (Romans 1:16)

Over and over I encourage my congregation to live a complete Christian life--in public and in private, in acts of humble service and in acts of concerned sharing, when going door to door and when having lunch with a friend... I think that's what we see Jesus telling us, as well as Paul, Peter, and others, and I think that's what we see in the Christian community of the early church (e.g. in the book of Acts)...

I agree with that..

One time I had a Jehova witness come to my door..I attempted to close the door on him and said I wasn't interested..he put his foot in the door to stop it..I asked him..do you believe in god?he said yes..I said if you dont take your foot out of my door in 3 seconds you are going to meet him..he left after that..I hate that begging to save you crap.

Disclaimer: I think this video is funny, and nothing more. It's far enough out there that it doesn't really represent either side of the argument. That being said, here's a kinda funny video of atheists going door to door:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7wOz5a6yns

You're kidding right? I built a whole company around it. Senior executives of high technology companies. They appreciate it too after all most of the software companies do the vast majority of their business through cold calls and a sales force. What about Real Estate? Top Real Estate agents do a ton of cold calls. I can't believe you said that. WHat do you do for a living again?

Jehova Witnesses are fun to mess with in general.

Nope, my buddy has one of those in Westwood, almost every single family home in the area are worth a million these days.

Well, good for you. I don't appreciate cold calls in any way, shape or form. As for what I do for a living, it's been well documented here that I worked for Universal & Paramount/Viacom for 10 years. My wife and I also have an extremely successful internet business that does not include cold calling. As for my current occupation, I prefer to decline *advertising* that at present.

But let me get this straight: You equate cold calls for real estate and software the same as organized religion?

Most religions talk about being open minded. Open enough to embrace their faith. But once you get to the point where it is a belief and a faith, then are you not closed to other possiblities and beliefs by then?

I'm not into organized religion because I believe this limits your thinking. You get to the point of believing in what religious techings has written into you rather than instinct.

God says "thou shall not kill" right? What has this to say for war? More wars have been started because of religious beliefs then any other political driven war. Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq. The Catholic Crusades murdered millions.

I guess I just can't understand the closed thinking that rides along with religions, makes no sense to me.

It's not like I'd automatically smear poo in your face and slam the door, especially if you're 6'1" with tatoos. :D I'm not quite as much of a jackass in person as I am here, and one of the things that was effectively beat into me as a child was being courteous to strangers. Salespeople generally get a very firm (but somewhat polite) NOT INTERESTED and the door. I'd likely listen to your pitch, thank you for the invitation and politely decline.

It's when people don't go away after this that the problems start. :#

But still, I'd just prefer to be left the hell alone. I know where the churches are; if I feel compelled to get right with the Lord, I don't need directions.

Luckily, we don't get alot of door-to-door people in my neighborhood. I'm in a condo community on the fringe of Naperville, effectively cut off from the main part of the town and certainly looked down upon by the well-to-do snobs who live in the big houses, who probably don't want me in their churches in the first place. :)

It's not because of the beliefs. It's because people are capable of doing bad things. And I agree that there have been some people that have had power in these religions that are not correctly following these beliefs.

And I do believe in Catholism, do you think I'm close-minded? No, you are close minded if you want to be, open if you want to be.

That's cool I'm not trying to be a dick. Universal & Paramount/Viacom does a ton of advertising BTW. Marketing is marketing it all takes up your time irregardless of how it is done. I have found in the past that people who are usually involved in operations as opposed to sales are usually the people who like sales people the least. They think they are over paid and arrogant. Bottom line is without those people they don't have a job. Bottom line is without sales and marketing the machine shuts down. I don't like people banging on my door either but I just don't answer it if I don't want to. Sometimes I find it fun to mess with the Jehova Witnesses. Sometimes I want to help like supporting the local highschool football team. Most of the time like I said though the dog has already scared them off by the time I get there. I get sales calls at work all the time, they don't bother me at all. Sales is a part of life I'm not going to let it get to me.

there is no word :irregardless.

the word is regardless

I guess this is what strays me away from organized religion is because I don't believe everything I read.

Yup! Same is true in the greater Boston area. My old one, is now worth at least a mil!

I know you weren't trying to be a dick. It's all good. And I've got two yellow labs but unfortunately in this regard, they don't scare anyone. Unless someone is afraid to get licked to death! :)

I also understand that music, television shows and movies are just *fillers* for advertisers. Everything these days is about *Content* to advertise and sell products. When I read about people complaining about the state of the entertainment business and how "music, movies and television aren't as good as it used to be", I'm often in agreement. But the train rolls on because it's all funded by advertising.

Since sales is a part of your life, you're probably a little more tolerant of cold calls and advertising because it's your livelihood (and justifiably so). Just as Rexjake is more tolerant of unions, I'm adverse to illegal downloading, and so on throughout the Chiefsplanet community, we all accept things are are nearer and dearer to our hearts.

Continued success with your business!

Your own living room would do fine for the Lord.

That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

you are correct about that. When I was in college and had to wait tables to pay for it all, I did get extremely frustrated with people who tipped 0-5% when I gave them great service, even half of them mentioned that everything was great themselves and left a buck on a $50 tab. It was a frustrating time, but after a while I just provided bad service to those I had waited on before and I remembered what they tipped, if anything. Because it was stupid on my part to stereotype people based on appearance.

Paint an upside down pentagram on your front door in red paint. LMAO

Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?

Yes, I know. Personally, I prefer to be outside in an area of great natural beauty. The Black Hills are my favorite church.

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It's as much a word as any other nonstandard American English one.

This was my favorite. Sometimes I crack myself up. LMAO

That's Funny Big_Daddy! I'm not a believer either but I wouldn't go as far as JSP! My philosophy is if you don't want to get bitten, stay out of the cage.

That sounded a lot like one of Redrum's sadistic mother rants.

ROFL

I am a believer, and I thought that was funny.

Another day spent talking about God?


God wins.

God only won because the non-believers punted on 4th and 6 at the 39 instead of going for it.

ROFL I'm going to hell, but that's funny.

God's still winning.

Oh well! Was just a suggestion. How 'bout "Beware of Vicious Dog?" ;)
PS, My community is not gated per se...but does have an entrance with a sign...just no gate.

Guilt is a terrible thing.

I don't understand your comments. If you don't believe in God, you have your freedom from religion. Why stir the pot?