i am sure you are right. clark will let him stay while he has a contract.

God damn Parker you have just about broken the last of my morale!

Dave

Trent Green has never been one to throw well when he has to move.... not even moving just a few steps.

he needs to plant ... step ... throw or his accuracy goes to shit.

it's always been that way

The saddest thing of all is what will this team be like next year. Gack it could get really ugly.

Dave

it is rebuilding time. alot of the defense is in place with the exception of needing a good dt. our offense needs the rebuilding now..

I hear what you're saying but the QB is still responsible to look at the "spots" before releasing the throw to ensure the pass won't get picked off. Therein lies another fault of Trent: He tends to lock onto (i.e., stare at) a receiver, thereby tipping the defense of where his pass will go.

So? If he isn't going to try and field a quality product then f**k them. I can tolerate trying and failing, but sitting on your thumb waiting for the check to come in doesn't fly with me.

Give me the deal Cleveland got. If Clark won't try and fix it then send this pile of crap to some other city and give me a new Chiefs.

The deal that Cleveland got isn't gonna happen. There won't ever be more than 32 teams in the NFL.

If we lose our team, it's likely we'll never get another. Maybe we could get the Vikings and play in the NFC North? :evil:

That would rule.

How do we get this done? Even "Timmay!!" could win in that freaking division.

It needs to get "ugly." This team needs retooled with a longer term vision, and not trying to win next year.

JoPo has been reading the Planet.

In that case we need to score 3 points and have a blowout loss to the Raiders...if you want to get a rebuild/attention out of this season.


Or we could just win out and still have a chance for playoffs if everyone thats tied loses...and we win the next two.....

Carl rebuild.....now that's a far fetched idea.

The Chiefs getting in the playoffs is just like the eunuch guarding the harem. Sure you got in but you still weren't going to get any.

Like tk13 said, people are throwing Trent under a bus rather quickly.

I'm kind of up for the idea of starting Croyle though these last two games, just to get him some time. Because just like Shanahan mentioned, it's not about the playoffs, it's about Super Bowl victories. We should get a sneak peak and see what we got in Croyle.

vurp

[QUOTE=TrickyNicky]Wow. Hit all the points that have been made on the Planet the last few weeks. QUOTE]



Actually all those points have been made the last several years by many people. Jo Po is just now getting up from his keyboard and smelling the
coffee thats been stale in the Chiefs coffee pot for years.

Tell us something we don't know Jo Po.

Then again...we could all just draw straws to see who get to tap your mom's booty first. :p

This playoff fantasy is like your mother.

Everyone has had her, and been disappointed, yet people come back for more.

zing

If that was the case it the Chiefs would of never hired Herm Edwards. It is about the playoffs. Carl is only worried about doing just as much as he needs to, to get the Chiefs to the playoffs. One and done? He dont care. As long as he can raise parking, concessions and tickets the following year, he is happy and the Chiefs succeed.

Herm was a safe hire, not risky and will keep the team at or barely above .500 and a shot at the playoffs.

No team in their right mind would ever hire the fraud of a coach that Herm is if they were serious about a superbowl Period!

Excellent points. I can't argue with that.

So fricking true it makes me sick..but come July Ill be ready for the season to start..Dumb-fricking hommer.....

While I see what you're saying, Carl's not WRONG.

When your team hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade, it's NOT ABOUT SUPERBOWLS. It's about making the playoffs.

I'd prefer that our next HC have some super bowl experience.

At least you know he CAN do it...

I thought the same thing when we brought in Vermeil. I honestly don't care anymore.

I want them to bring in somebody COMPLETELY NEW. Doesn't matter if they have previous SB experience, just make sure they've never been affiliated with the Kansas City Chiefs at any point in their existence.

This applies equally to the HC AND the GM.

Two words: Matt Millen

Just like the 1990's Huh,

I understand you have to make the playoffs first Hitsmaqe, but I also understand that what Carl and the fans consider success are two different things.

We consider Championship Game and Superbowls appearances a success, Carl considers .500 or better and a appearance in the playoffs as a success.

Raising parking, concessions and tickets are more successful than pushing through to one superbowl appearance or vistory and have a ton of salary problems or free agent problems, in the eyes of Carl Peterson. This is kind of like Electricity, always goes through the path of least resistance. Carl is that way, wants the easy way out to make the most money for the Chiefs.

That is why Herm was a safe hire for Carl. There will be no demands for players or trades. There wont be any conflict between the coaches and GM, all Herm has to do is keep this team around the 8-8 thru 10-6 mark with the players Carl gives him. Keep fans hopes alive and keep them coming out to Arrowhead by the 10's of thousands. That is a success for the Kansas City Chiefs organization.

Obviously, the fans DON'T consider Championship Games and Super Bowls as "success".

And if you think for one second that Carl doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you've drank too much Drain-o.

Winning a Super Bowl will NEVER cause a franchise to lose money. EVER.

I dont drink Drain-o, I stick with Jim Beam, thanks for the offer though.


I agree. Winning the superbowl would never cause a organization to lose money. If you think that you need to back away from the crack pipe.

But do you realize the risk vs reward. I feel that is what Carl looks at. The risk is to great financially to go and make winning a superbowl a goal. I have no doubt that he wants to win the superbowl, but he will have to win it on his terms without the risk of spending or going out on the preverbal limb to get that championship.

Carl looks at the bottom line and the future of the organization's financial state or salary cap. Carl is not going to sell out the Chiefs, for a chance at superbowl immortality...

So we can love him for that or hate him for it, but that is the way it is and probably why his is going to retire a very weatlhy man thanks to all the loyal KC fans.

How many recent Super Bowl teams have COMPLETELY mortgaged their future to win one - Tampa? Baltimore?

The idea that there's some kind of huge financial risk in building a Super Bowl team is ridiculous.

Carl ALREADY HAS, many times in the past, gone out on the proverbial limb. He's signed Chester McGlockton, Joe Montana, and on and on and on. The idea that he won't spend money is false.

It's not that he won't spend money, it's that he spends it on the WRONG PEOPLE. From Carlton Gray to Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon to Dan Williams, Carl has willing thrown MILLIONS of dollars at guys that just aren't very good.

The article is dead on.

Will Carl read it and will it make him reconsider his ways? Will the 2007 Chiefs take a different path?

Yep 100% agree.

I see what you are saying.

And add to the fact the drafts of late haven't been very good so we are pretty much screwed.

If we hadn't thrown away draft picks for coaches and aging vets, we might be better than we are.

I don't buy into the "Carl only wants to make money" crap.

He wants to win.
He just doesn't know how to mange to make it happen.

Exactly.

Carl wants to win, he just doesn't know how.

What he said. :clap:

I guess after 18 years of trying, this could be true huh?

You hit the nail on the head.

If there is ever an organization that needs a giant plunger to unclog, it is the Chiefs.

I want the Chiefs to have new life just as the rest of us do. And the only way that can happen is to ditch the King Carl family tree.

Believe me, the Hiring of Herm hurt me just as much as it did the rest of us.