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And in Herm's defense, a great many Chiefs fans ARE NOT very smart at all. I'm sure Laz will be here any minute, because this really gets his goat, but it's true. I've said it many times: The average Planeteer is FAR MORE football saavy than the average Chiefs fan. |
Thats right htitsmacquae we are savy and can see that Herm is good for the team, and will trn it aroun.
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dude you might want to invest in spell checker... You sound like a 7th grader, trying to be funny... Your not funny, but very annoying. |
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K I dont speak for all Cheifs Fans, but for alot of them... Going home, will write more tomorrow. Enjoyed! |
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I just don't understand why so many people have so much vitriol for Herm. It doesn't make any sense when you look at the facts of what this team has been through from after the draft up until now. It's one thing to disagree with the coach and his decisions -- that's fine. It's completely another to become so blinded with hatred that you lash out irrationally at anything and everything you perceive to be the coach's fault. I'm not saying it's you, but I've seen far too much of this going on lately, and the only thing I can attribute it to is 37 years of frustration finally taking their toll on the fans. |
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We never run screens, reverses or counters. We almost never run the stretch play anymore, which negates Wiegmann's best abilities as an O-lineman. Running one TE screen does not connotate trying to set up an adequate misdirection game plan. Furthermore, the wholesale lack of spreading the field (which helps negate our receivers' inability to get open) is stupid coaching. If you spread the field and give Trent carte blanche for audibles, then you let Larry run into six or seven man fronts, and if they stack, you can use a quick hitter, or a pump and go. We've also never used the pump draw this year, primarily because we have no semblance of how to pass to open up the run. Moreover, Herm is extremely myopic in his management of LJ. Running the guy 440 times in one year might help you win 1 or 2 more games this year, but it's going to cost you 10 over the next 4. There is a huge gap in logic for someone to be so conservative offensively, while brazenly grinding our best playmaker into the ground, acting as though there will be no recourse for so many carries, and that's one of the main reasons why I don't think Herman Edwards should be a head coach in the NFL. |
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Getting beat on a one step drop isn't the O-line's fault...the D had his candence down to a T. No one in the NFL is that fast unless they know what is coming from the snap count. We didn't and haven't run very many counters or screens this year. It's a fact that is readily visible by observation of any Chiefs game. If you can't see that, then you have much larger issues to deal with...like blindness. And FWIW, the spread isn't so that you can execute 7 step drops...it's so that you can get more favorable matchups for Tony, Wilson and Kennison on shorter routes. It also opens up running lanes for LJ. We obviously can't run 20 yard square-ins w/ this o-line, but that doesn't mean that we can't spread out the D to ensure they attack from the edges rather than right up our gut as happened last week. |
We don't have the receivers or offensive line for that. Our RT is so terrible that if we don't keep extra blockers in, our QB gets killed. Trent got rocked on a *1 step drop* on Sunday. He couldn't even get the designed screen off. That's how bad it is.
I don't have the inclination to watch the game again, but I'm pretty sure the majority of pressure that came from SD came up the gut against the "strength" of KC's OL. Granted Welbourn has not been the same since he has stopped his supplements, however a lot of the pass protection problems this past week came from the middle of the line. |
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I think it's more important to point out that you can still be conservative offensively without being predictable.. |
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Did you ever think that the reason we got stonewalled had to do with the fact that the only thing our offense *wants* to do is run up the middle and when that is taken away our entire scheme falls apart? We tried the stretch play a few times in the opener, and it didn't work...but to say that it has been taken away all year is ridiculous. After that game, Solari/Herm basically gave up on it. They're like a damned abused dog. If one bad thing happens, they cower in the corner and piss all over themselves... They've done this all year, whether it's crawling into a complete shell after a turnover, or completely giving up on the screen game because one poorly designed play (a fucking TE screen) is snuffed out, never trying draws, pump draws, or actually running a reverse (which no one respects in the PA game, because we never actually do it save for Parker in Miami). Without Roaf, without Wellbourne, using a less-experienced Black and Sampson on the edges, this team still moved the ball last year. People point to the Buffalo game...but that was an anomaly. The first six games last year, our offense averaged 25 ppg, and that's with a 10 point shitbath effort in Denver. This year, with the same players, our offense has put up 10 and 9 points in successive games. We've sucked ass in the redzone all year, and that's just the beginning of it. We have a coach whose philosophy is play not ot lose, and an offensive coordinator who hasn't proven he can put the requisite planning together to lead a whore to bed. Here's my question for you: When a reasonable poster (like bill parcells) points out the stunning similarities between this offense and the Jet offense of 01-05, doesn't that mean anything to you? parcells is a legitimate Jet fan and a good poster, he's not a troll. Look at the mediocrity of the offense, the lack of possession, the pandering to the media, the grousing from the locker room IN YEAR ONE. Herm is an empty suit. |
It shouldn't matter what Trent's intentions are! If you want to keep Huard, you sign him now. It's a freaking business and Trent understands how it works...he's a big boy. The point about the offensive problems stemming from the sharp decline of the o-line is correct. Our receivers were just as poor last year, however, we didn't have to depend on them as much. Trent didn't have as much pressure because people were scared of LJ. The defense is BETTER than last year's version, although you'd never know it by reading many posts around here.
Anybody who is blaming Herm for our current problems really hasn't thought this thing through. We saw this day coming, didn't we? That line was aging before our eyes over the last couple of years and it was only a matter of time before things came apart. KC is several positions shy on both sides of the ball right now. We can argue over which needs are the greatest, but the bottom line is that this team needs 2-3 good drafts and 2-3 good years of smart free agency transactions before we are where we need to be. As for the comments about Shields being equally good straight ahead as he is on the move, I disagree. I think Will used to be very effective as a base blocker, but he has taken a few steps back in that area. He has always been a GREAT pulling guard because he is agile and can adjust so well on the move. |
LJ's blocking helped contribute to the loss at SD.
We should have taken OLINE in the second round last season : Should have moved up to get Mcneal. |
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Well we are pretty much screwed than... Cause this hasnt happen very often in Carls 18 years of his 5 year plan... |
I don't think you can point to one player(Roaf/Welbourne) or one Coach or GM. The team mentality as a whole just sucks.
They are in a "League of Losers", and until that culture is changed, it will remain that way. |
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If, at this point next year, after all reasonable attempts to fix the offensive line have been made, and they are an improved unit and we're sitting a .500 or below, then I'll jump on your bandwagon. But not until then. It just doesn't make any sense to come to any conclusions right now. Belichick sucked before he got to the Patriots (and no, I'm not saying Herm is going to be Belichick). Every team and coaching combination is different, and it's a mistake to compare them. You have to take each situation as it comes. What I see is an improved defense, and an inherited offense with aging, injury, a new OC and lack of skill at the WR position. All good things come to an end. I think it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Herm showed up when he did. He's taking a lot of heat right now, because people expected immediate results. 37 years of frustration is coming to a head, and it sucks for the guy caught in the middle. I know that in this day and age we perpetually live in a "What have you done for me lately" mood, but this is a bit ridiculous. I just don't believe it's possible to come to any kind of reasonable conclusion about a coach after only one season. If you want to do so, that's fine, but don't try and peddle it off as some kind of set in concrete fact. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, but without sufficient data, they are both opinions without much factual data backing them up. |
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