ROFL Actually I meant my oldest.

I wish I could get rid of my youngest because he has A.D.D. too it seems like (Just like his daddy). I'm afraid I can't pay anyone to take him off my hands.

I was bit by the family dog (an un-altered Dalmatian) when I was in the sixth grade. Took a nice sized chunk out of my nose that required plastic surgery to fix.

This dog had slept on my bed for years without any incident. I went down one night to get ready for bed and went to kiss the dog on the head. I'm not sure what happened next (I'm guessing I startled him out of a dream or something) but next thing I knew, he had bitten me.

Rather than get rid of the dog, (although I think my dad kicked it down the back stairs) it was instead banished to the backyard and garage for a few months. He also got fixed. At some point I felt sorry for him so I let him back in the house and he resumed sleeping on my bed.

There were no other incidents of him ever biting anyone again.

have you thought about gypsys?

my mother and father used to threaten to give me away to the first band of gypsys that came along.

kinda scary when we went to europe.

He's heading to terrible 2's so he has no clue what any of that means.

Well this is the american temperment test society which has done a ton of tesing wit different breeds. These are their results based upon your dogs vs and American Pitbull Terrier. The numbers listed are Tested'passed, failed, percentage pass.
http://www.atts.org/statistics.html

AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 542 456 86 84.1%
MINIATURE SCHNAUZER 103 81 22 78.6%
GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG 2,833 2,361 472 83.3%
BOXER 368 311 57 84.5%

And two breeds everyone thinks is safer than safe
LABRADOR RETRIEVER 686 628 58 91.5%
STANDARD POODLE 217 186 31 85.7%


Only 7% higher

Here are some of your bad scores for some dogs many wouldn't think twice about getting with a child.

BEARDED COLLIE 45 24 21 53.3%
DACHSHUND (STANDARD SMOOTH) 42 28 14 66.7%
STANDARD SCHNAUZER 56 37 19 66.1%

Bottom line is you should know your dog and the situation your putting it in. If you do there isn't going to be problem.

I would have to say that 2. 3 and 6 are unenforceable due to vague language.

I don't see how 5 is legal at all.

I agree.

#5 falls firmly in the same category as gun laws.

It's gonna be illegal to make any attempt to protect yourself from the GOVERNMENT.

Hell it's not even legal for ex-felons to own a bullet proof vest. Hell of a price to pay for having tha bag of weed back in college.

If your buddy fights dogs, might i suggest he be the first to be put down.

Go ahead and put him down, if you can.

If he's the kinda guy that likes to make animals fight each other, i wont have to, someone else in that circle of people surely will over somethin'.

He isn't making any dog do anything it doesn't want to do, that's why they have scratching. I'm not a dog fighter BTW but I know several. Pretty tight knit group actually. Very hard to get in that circle. They fight dogs all over the place and they almost never get busted. That's how tight it is. Best guys to get your pet pit from as well because they have a zero tolerance policy for any dog that ever shows human aggression. You may not like what they do but the dogs they produce are incredible and very stable. They make great house dogs.

For the record dog fighting has only gotten more popular over the years especially in Russia and Japan. Outlawing it has actually caused far more problems than it's solved but that's another subject. All you have to do is look at Japan to know that's true.

Personally, I think this law is rather extreme. Some restrictions are fine, but the mandatory neutering and all those hoops you need to jump through to keep one should be toned down a lot.

Speaking strictly from the cold and calculating point of view of the insurance company I work for, the sooner these dogs are exterminated, the better. These animals seem to eat people and poop liability claims.

Let me make sure I'm reading this right.
You're against deadbeat owners that own Pits but you're for owners that breed fighting pits that are good to people?

Dude... If that's the case then I've yet to figure you out.
Kill'em all.
:hmmm:

Wow, you're actually serious here.

Yeah, b/c a dog that wants to maim other dogs is clearly stable. I'm sure that an animal with the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old is able to make a snap distinction between a dog (which it wants to kill) and an infant. I'm equally certain these noble dog fighters that don't tolerate human aggression are completely above the board. These pillars of moral fiber wouldn't dare sacrifice their integrity when breeding and choosing dogs which will then be used to rip the throat out of another ill-tempered beast for sport. Good folks there, I know I'd stake the life of my child on their barometer for human agression...

Y'know what you really have to worry about, those Labrador dog fighting rings.

Waaaaaaaay too many dogs are put down every day for me to give a crap if they ban Pits. You keep making these slippery slope arguments ("if they ban Pits, they're coming for your Golden Retriever next") which are completely baseless.

For every single 'fact' you can bring up from pitbullsarethegreatest.com, there is an actual objective source saying just the opposite. Those damn media types have a lot to gain by persecuting pit bulls...oh wait...

And the reason few people chime in when you're on one of these rants, is that it just isn't worth the effort. They'll be met with nothing but vitriole. Why argue with a brick wall?

As far as I'm concerned, you and that heathen breed lost any and all credibility when you decided to support dog fighting as "nothing they don't want to do"...

Troy,

I am no animal lover, but even I don't see how you can support the people who would engage in the cruelty of dog fighting.

Color me suprised.

2nd nominee for post of the year candidate.

Logical, we don't understand.
We're ignorant/idiotic.

You couldn't be more wrong throughout this entire post.

1. I didn't call them noble dog fighters those are words you are putting in my mouth. Fact of the matter is they can't have any human aggressive tendencies for safety reasons.
2. There are many, many, many people with children and pit bulls. I know of at least 20 currently. None has ever had an issue. Like I said I bring mine and my buddy Jeff's to the park with a sign that says pet a real pit bull and convert hundreds of people every year. Never had an issue.
3. As far as your slippery slope comment goes it's not baseless. MOF the history of BSL clearly shows they start adding breeds as soon as possible. BSL is failing in this country though because the experts are proving clearly that pit bulls are not more likely to bite humans than other breeds. For this reason the direction has changed and the objective of the BSL types is becoming very clear. If your dog weighs more than 100 pounds, he may be affected by size restrictions. For example, in Fairfield, Iowa, the following are considered restricted breeds: Akbash, Anatolian shepherd, Alapaha blue blood bulldog, Borzoi, bull mastiff, Dogue de Bordeauxs, Estrela mountain dog, Great Pyrenees, Italian mastiff, Komondor, Kangal dog, Kuvasz, Leonberger, Neopolitan mastiff, Newfoundland, Otterhound, St. Bernard and the Spanish mastiff.

Here is another list of breeds banned:
American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, bull terrier — Monticello, Centerville, Alburnett and Hiawatha, Iowa; Grandview, Mo.; North Little Rock, Ark.; two cities in Kentucky and Washington; Lincoln, N.D. Akita — Ulyssas, Kan. Alaskan malamutes — Fairfield, Iowa. American bulldog — North Little Rock, Ark.; Aurora, Colo.; Akron, Ohio. Belgian malinois — Fairfield, Iowa. Boerboels — Fairfield, Iowa. Cane Corso — Aurora, Colo. Chow chow — Travelers Rest, S.C.; Newport, R.I.; Lynnville, Tenn. Doberman pinscher — Fairfield, Iowa; Sisston, S.D.; Westfield, Ill; Travelers Rest, S.C.; Lynnville, Tenn.; Buffalo Center, Iowa. Dogo Argentino — Aurora, Colo. English mastiffs — Yale, Iowa. Fila Brasileiro (also known as the Fila and Brazilian mastiff) — Aurora, Colo. German shepherd — Fairfield, Iowa; Lynnville, Tenn. Great Dane — Fairfield, Iowa. Irish wolfhound — Fairfield, Iowa. Mastiffs — Fairfield, Iowa. Malamutes — Fairfield, Iowa. Presa Mallorquin (also known as the Ca de Bou) — Aurora, Colo. Presa Canario — Lanett, Ala.; Aurora, Colo. Rottweiler — North Little Rock, Ark.; Buffalo Grove, Ill.; Fairfield, Conrad, Lake Mills and Lockridge, Iowa; Walkerton, Ind.; Inman, Kan.; Carl Junction and Salisbury, Mo.; Binghamton, N.Y.; Velva, N.D.; Pawtuckett, R.I.; Travelers Rest, S.C.; Lynnville, Tenn.; Smithville, Utah; Neah Bay, Wash.; Buffalo Center, Iowa. Scottish deerhounds — Fairfield, Iowa. Shar Pei — Smithfield, Utah. Siberian huskies — Fairfield, Iowa. Tosa Inu — Aurora, Colo., and the wolf-hybrid.

Yea OK. LMAO

Where did I call you that? Where did I call you anything for that matter?

you cant make anything fight if it chooses not to fight.

its nomore cruel than anyother animal sport.

though id say imo most gamedogs owners are no better than most joeblow pitbull owners.

I'm not supporting anybody, I just get my dogs from there. Truth is I have saved many dogs from the pit and find them good homes, yes with children. You saw one of my placements here that came from MAyday stock. If you want to know how I feel about dog fighting legislation I think it creates more problems than it solves. Truth is if it was legal and you had to obtain licenses to have fights I believe there would much less dog fighting going on. What would be there is the best of the best and those interested in watching it and gambling on it would only want to see those dogs. It would be highly regulated with the correct medical atttention there. Japan is a great example.

whats your opinion on the amount of dogs that have to be started?Bulldogs are predisposed to animal aggression,but there is no magic trigger that turns them on.
id say minimum 90% have to be started by an older schooled out dog.
i think thats the part that most people friend or foe of the pitbull dont get.

Here is what I find amazing. Nobody gives a shit about the fact that they kill tons of Greyhounds every year so they can watch a race. Obviously they have no issues with commiting genocide against certain breeds killing massive amounts of dogs. But if two people decide to let their dogs fight their considered cruel barbaric assholes who should be put down? Where is the logic behind that? I wonder what the dog would have to say about all of this is he could talk.

you and i both know that greyhounds and other coursing dogs arent the money makers cause they dont eat people.
now once pitbulls are completely outcast theyll move on to the race type breeds in force along w/ rodeo. and after thats done theyll take on the bigboys,hunting and fishing.

here's another one of these loving dogs:

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6038756

I think so much of that has to do with enviroment. I brought Taz to the dog park until he was 6 months old and started to realize what being the alpha was all about. To this day he plays with any dog he doesn't find to be a threat. If he does find the other dog to be a threat though we have an immediate issue.

Speaking of Mayday stock and the pup I got for Jeff and his family I think that is a great example. All her brothers and sisters are now winning fights in the pit from what I understand. He says all of them had an automatic predisposition to turn on at about 6 mnonths if I recall correctly. All of them were raised as most fighting dogs are. I think he has 8 on his yard right now. THe female I got for my buddy though has been raised in his house being a pet and sleeps with his daughter. You would definately have to turn that dog on. She came up under Taz so they get along great. Same blood with different enviroments. You tell me, you think it makes a difference?

Some of them just turn on later as well, I think Taz was that way.

62 million dogs in this country and found an article on one acting badly. Congratulations, we should get you a medal. I wonder what would happen if we judged the human race based upon these same numbers.

Yeah, we should start banning any person who resembles the people who commit homicide anywhere in the country.

Good Thread BD. good posts and I have been reading some of the links.

I ain't going to judge you because you have friends that are into that stuff. A buddy of mine has a Staffordshire terrier that is a total ham. She is smaller than a full pit (im sure you know this) but she does intimidate folks (from her looks). I lived with her when my buddy was a roomate. No problems at all with that dog. I like it when I go over to his place, she goes crazy when she first sees me, but them calms down shorlty thereafter. I love how she will just tirelessy sit and watch out while we hang out and drink beer and what not. His neighborhood is not far from a bad one, I for one feel better with Samantha around. She is VERY loyal to her owner.

Anyways, what does BSL stand for? Bullshit law?

It's the crappy owners like others have stated in this thread, that is fuggin it up for the good owners. If you have the patience they are good dogs IMO.

I think it stands for "Breed Specific Legislation" but BS Law sounds just as good.

Here is the deal. A dog that was developed as a fighting dog is an easy target for those who want to pass BSL. Problem is they are not human aggressive by nature. What they have had to do is add many breeds to the term pit bull in order to get the numbers up. Not only did they add many breeds they also added anything that might even resemble them. The SF Chronical has even named German Shepherds and Presa Canario's as pit bulls in dog attacks. By definition your buddies dog is considered a pit bull now. All these breeds are now considered pits "American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers and any dog determined to be a pit bull type." This includes many other breeds as well starting with American Bulldogs.

I think Wikipedia does a pretty damn good job of describing the breed without all the fear mongers input.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier

What amazes me the most is that someone can then come along after all this and say that my point about them going after many breeds is baseless. Hell the very legislation we are talking about in this thread is aimed at 12 different breeds. Fairfield Iowa is any dog over 100 pounds. On top of saying it's baseless you actually have someone who will cosign the madness and nominate it for post of the year. That's what we're up against. Don't bother us with facts we are too busy selling fear. These compassionate genocide types are just too much. Then they don't want to be thrown in a group like PETA, OK. :rolleyes: