I wouldn't mind this move one bit.

like it was ever in question....but it is still clear the chiefs aren't looking to win a superbowl. They are going to patch together a team to get to 7-8 wins and to win most of those games at home.

We really should have signed Benard last offseason.

There are some very good OLB's that will be around when we pick in both the 1st and 2nd...much deeper field than MLB.

possible .... i remember some rumors about Pollard being moved maybe.


but i still think that means we need to change our scheme so that the MLB doesn't drop into deep coverage so much. IMO it's a bad thing anyway.

asking a player to be a main focus of stopping the run AND then asking the player to be responsible for the deep middle on passing players is just begging for problems in coverage.

The Seahawks wish we would have.

Starting calibre?

if we had pollard, harris, and DJ that might be the fastest LB's in the nfl. Atleast in my theory.

but that logic doesn't apply to the LT position, it seems....my head is spinning

I'd say we need OT's about as bad as we need DT's. Gonna be tough to win if we can't score. :)

not sure that Harris is even as good as Mitchell, I hope he's cheaper at least....

Chiefs add Harris, who is perfect for Edwards' D
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Filling their need for more athleticism and playmaking potential at middle linebacker spot, the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday reached agreement with unrestricted free agent middle linebacker Napoleon Harris on a six-year deal.

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Complete financial details of the contract were not immediately available, but two league sources told ESPN.com that Harris will receive about $6 million-$7 million in guarantees.

Harris, 28, will replace Kawika Mitchell as the starting middle linebacker. A solid run-stuffer but limited athlete, Mitchell is also an unrestricted free agent. He was not expected to return to the Chiefs and the acquisition of Harris all but guarantees that.

A five-year veteran, Harris has drawn interest from several teams since the start of free agency and visited earlier with Tampa Bay Buccaneers officials. But the Chiefs made him a priority, in part because head coach Herm Edwards feels Harris has the skills to fit well into his cover two scheme, and moved quickly to complete a deal with him.

Because of his movement skills, Harris should be a middle linebacker capable of remaining on the field on third down, even in obvious passing situations.

Oddly, the Minnesota Vikings, who also play the cover two scheme and for whom Harris played the past two seasons, made little effort to retain him, even though he was a productive player for them.

Minnesota signed E.J. Henderson to a long-term contract extension toward the end of last season, and will benefit from the return of 2006 first-round choice Chad Greenway, who missed his entire rookie campaign with a knee injury. So the Vikings, who also have a standout veteran on hand in Ben Leber, apparently felt they could allow Harris to move on to another team.

The Vikings acquired Harris as part of the 2005 trade that sent wide receiver Randy Moss to the Oakland Raiders. Harris, a college standout at Northwestern, played three seasons for the Raiders, who chose him in the first round of the 2002 draft, before the trade.

In five seasons, Harris has 333 tackles, six sacks, three interceptions, nine passes defensed and four forced fumbles. He has appeared in 74 games and been a starter at the middle and weakside linebacker positions.


That hardly breaks the bank.

sounds like a reasonable deal so far :clap:

I wouldn't. We have no DTs.

NONE.

No one can criticise Carl right now. And Herm is awesome. We didn't let these guys leave town.

Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!

18 years, no Super Bowl appearances or victories, we'll critisize until the cows come home, he's a failure and Herm will be too. I just hope they don't totally crush our beloved team to the ground before they finally do leave.

The only position Pollard could possibly play is WLB, which happens to also be our only good linebacker's position.

People say you need small guys for a scheme that plays a lot of cover 2 and cover 3, but Herm took John Lynch (who many said was too slow to be a safety and should be converted to linebacker) and made him very effective at strong safety in this scheme.

What's wrong with a bigger, physical defense? We're not a dome team. I like Johnson at WLB, Harris at MLB, and my guess is Fox gets his shot at SLB. Pollard and Page at safeties (although Knight might get one more year).

I like the price....we'll see what kind of player he is, but bargin shopping is what we should be doing right now

I actually like herm. I think he can do it, once he realizes not to run the clock out with 15 min to go in the first. I think he can get his players to play for him above their ability. THen again all coaches make stupid mistakes on the field from time to time.

Derrick is SLB.

My thoughts exactly.

It's always in season to critize King Carl for his inability to draft a quality DT or acquire one through FA

Defensive Tackles currently under contract

Howard, Brian
Sims, Ryan

who said this?

SIMS TO THE RESCUE!

Bwwahhhhaaahhhhh

How long have you been on this board???

I am quite sure you're mistaken. Don't know how to prove it to you without game film, though.

Kendrell was not playing will, last year, though. Believe that.

And Jordan Black and Kyle Turley account for HAVING OT's?

They're fkn horrible!

Great signing, Harris will be the MLB next year no matter what Mitchell decides to do.

IMO, we are done with Mitchell - he is not a good fit for the Cover 2. I think the talk of moving him outside was just PR stuff.

We now have one OLB spot to fill, as I guarantee Bell will not start next year. We could fill that spot with Fox or Pollard, or we could address it in the draft. Guys like Rufus Alexander and Brandon Siler would be great fits for what we're running, and we could get them w/ a 2nd or 3rd pick.

Again, great signing by Carl since Harris is still fairly young and we presumably did not break the bank. If we can pick up a decent DT (Ian Scott?), this will have been a nice offseason.

:banghead: I thought last year was it for the Sims era?

The Chiefs seem to have some decently talented LB's now and crap for DT's. Would this be a chance to switch to a 3-4 scheme instead of the 4-3 scheme?

Especially if they are able to add Donnie Edwards I would think The Chiefs are set with a very good complement of LB's.

Better as OTs than Ryan Sims as a DT.

And you must be having a mind**** completely ignoring a very solid LT in Damion McIntosh.

Dude, there is NO comparison. DT = #1 need by far at this point.

I know, right. He's better, taller, faster, more athletic, fits the scheme better AND IS PROBABLY CHEAPER

OMG - people, you just want to say "dammit carl" so bad, you'll close both eyes and type with your toes just to get a different perspective on a new signing.

I tossed this idea around some too, but my first question is if we run a cover 2, can you do that with a 3-4, probably not.

Not to mention Chris Terry and John Welbourne as proven RTs.

Good. Can he read a BOOTLEG?


My thumbs up on this move.

Jesus Christ. I don't know why so many people make this mistake.

You're wrong. Derrick Johnson was a weakside linebacker in college, yes. The Chiefs moved him to strongside.

Yes, indeed, I forgot about D-Mac signing. He fills 50% of that void...

How about Jarad Allen for Lance Briggs....

Is Harris fast, by the way?

Anybody know how fast the guy is? Does he fly to the ball?

I remember thinking the Raiders traded away their only good LB when Harris went to the Vikings so this sounds like a good move to me. Obviously KC felt the need to upgrade after we signed super stud Travis Henry.

Why do people continually suggest we run a 3-4? I know that on Madden you can just change your playbook to 3-4 and it works ok, but in the real world, it's different.

He ran a 4.56 before the draft.

They can have Hicks and Bartee too.

He ran sub 4.6's at the NFL Combine.

Defense at this point...

DE Line = Hali, Allen
DT = Wilkerson, ???
SOLB = Johnson
MLB = Harris
WOLB = ??? (Pollard? Fox? Mitchell? Bell? Edwards?)
SS = Knight
#1 CB = Law
#2 CB = Surtain
FS = Page/Wesley
(Nickelback = Walls)

We need to lose Wesley, plug that DT, and for heaven sakes we need a nickelback.

and by comparision where does KM stand? when was KM drafted too, out of curiositiy.

That answers that. :thumb:

What is Wilkerson's status? Isn't he a free agent?

Yes, and Walls is gone too.

Drafted 2003. Ran a 4.65

He is.

I just assume we'll resign him. He's young and he's still a deal.

Edit: He can also play anywhere on the DL.

Goodbye Kawiffa.

restricted free agent

Kawika ran a 4.66.

Drafted in Rd. 2.

My main concern is what we are going to do with the DT position.

I am thinking that our #1 pick this year is going to be a DT but we need more than 1.

The Chiefs do list him at LOLB which is normally SLB, but wasn't Kendrell playing over the tight end most of last year with Johnson covering backs and playing in space?

In any case - you were right, but it seems much more sensible to play Fox on the stronside and let Johnson take advantage of his athleticism on the weakside. And Pollard should stay as a Lynch-like enforcer at SS.

God, think of the stuff we could get for Kawika.

Say what you will about the guy, but Cover 2 just isn't his system and he still had a productive year with us.

Put him in a package with any one of our talented players who are clearly in the wrong system in KC (Hall, Bell, Green) and we might be able to yank a draft pick or a sexy DT out of somewhere.

No.

Fox wasn't very effective replacing DJ last year.

still waiting for an example of who said this

First you would have to sign Kawika since he is a FA.

And from what I understand he hasn't visited anywhere yet so that shows there is little or no interest for the guy.

My advice for the Chiefs is to sign him and stick him on ST's only

Not a bad idea. Good call.

A few thoughts here:

Weaka is gone, there is no moving him to the outside. He is too slow as was BELL. Fox opens the season there unless something amazing happens in the Draft.

The correct terminology for our linebackers would be left and right, according to our D.C. last year. We do not identify them as either "Weak" or "Strong". D.J. was our
starting LOLB last year. Bell was Our ROLB.

Ideally, our starting ROLB should be a good edge pass rusher, with a combination of speed and size. He must also be a sure tackler, about the only guy I can think of in FA who would fit the bill was A. Thomas, Briggs would work too, but it'll never happen.

I didn't say it previously, but I don't have a problem saying I don't Harris is an improvement over Kawika. People up in Minny say Harris sucked in coverage. Plus, he's hurt a lot. I don't see it as an improvement.

Exactly, that is why teams were often able to isolate a TE on Bell in the red zone.

How about a guy like Lavar Arrington?

I agree with this, fwiw.

I don't see why we can't sign him either to a cheaper deal, since he got hurt. He was doing pretty good with the Giants.

Uh the point about DTs is well taken, but Edwards DID play MLB in Kansas City. Or did you forget that he was MLB on the 97 Chiefs D that led the NFL in scoring D? Of course that was a hybrid 4-3 with Derrick as the "falcon".

Thank you, kind sir.










what just happened? :p

I hear we're in talks with Terdell Sands.

I hope we do look into Ian Scott, believe he could really help our interior D. Add him to Harris/McIntosh, and we are setup nicely for Draft Day.

Harris is a good signing for our scheme, a nice upgrade. Same for McIntosh, another upgrade. We're not talkin Pro-Bowlers here, but we're not in the market for Pro-Bowlers, and we just got a bit better.

Now, move Pollard to WLB (yes, WLB, DJ plays the strong side), and we've got a fine LB corp! Sammy's good for 1 more year, playing alongside Page.

Wilkerson is RFA, we've offered him a restricted tender already.

I do believe Fox WAS , taking over for Johnson led the team in 2 of the 4 games in tackles. I believe against the Dolphins and Browns ...both were losses but none the less he also had equal or better stats then Bell..... I wouldn't mind seeing Fox , Harris , Johnson...... Young descent LB core with good talent for the Cover 2. I of course wouldn't mind Edwards back but I think if we are going young Fox is the way to go (despite the injuries).

Keyaron Fox 52 44.0 8 1 0
Kendrell Bell 49 43.0 6 1 0

Thats left to right Total Tackles , Tackles , Assists , Sacks , Fumble Recovery. Not bad for someone who sat on the bench.

Thanks. Wasn't sure if he was restricted on not.

I don't like the idea of moving Pollard to LB. I think Pollard and Page could be our starting SS/FS for quite some time. I know Pollard isn't the fastest, but he plays faster than he is, and can hit like a truck. Put him at SS, and let him grow.

Jimmy Wilkerson is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/afc-unrestricted

Chiefs | Harris contract update
Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:40:13 -0800

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Kansas City Chiefs LB Napoleon Harris' six-year contract with the team is worth $24 million. Harris received a $7.5 million signing bonus and will make $13 million over the first three years of the contract.

And that's a f***ing shame. :banghead: