He did give a whiny-ass interview to Teicher, I believe, in the middle of the year. If I remember correctly, Hall's primary gripe was that he wasn't as involved in the offense as he wanted to be and he greatly missed hugs from Grandpa. Someone might produce the link, but I didn't feel like searching.

This kind of crap gets old, from anyone, including LJ.

There's been a big turnover in special teams players over the last 3-4 years. When he was at his prime the leaders were Stills, Caver and Jones. Last years special teamers were Griffen, Grigsby and Scanlon. I think part of his regression is the unfamiliarity with blockers,etc.

They can deal him though. Let Herm get his own players on the field as quickly as possible.

I understand this argument, and there's certainly validity to it. But how many times last year was Hall's first move to go backwards? And it didn't matter the amount of pressure that was on him, so we can't always point to crappy blocking. Guy tried to do too much, and seemed to lose sight of the fact that North/South is a return man's friend.

YUP....... he is supposed to use his blockers rather than run away from them that ends up creating mismatches and new assignments.

Without reading the thread, I have a couple observations. Sorry if I ask something that has already been discussed.

First, I think any report from pro football talk has to be questioned. Aren't they known for making up stuff?

Second, even if true the article states that Hall is signed through 2008 for cheap. Is that right? I thought DH signed for some good $$$ a couple years back. I'm thinking he's making a lot of money for a guy that isn't nearly as good as he used to be on returns. And he will never be more than a 3rd WR anyway.

Sounds to me like parting ways is the best move the Chiefs can make at this point.

forward 2 yards - back 1 yard - spin - hop - back 5 yards - twist - duck - forward 3 yards - sit on the ground and get buried. Stand up spike ball - say inaudible "I almost broke that." Sit down. Wait to catch ball in flat for gain of 3 yards.

should have dealt him in 2004-2005

Devon Hester showed that sometimes it good to just run....no more teen night at Orlando's! Bye Dante!

Well, if we are going to stick with scheme's that allow three guys to converge on the KR/PR from three different angles simultaneously then I don't see that it matters who we have doing returns.

Luckily my sarcasm detector is working.

Unlike some posters, I know I don't have the football knowledge to do Herm's job (or the special teams coach's job--but most folks tend to center their attacks on the HC), but I don't buy into the scheme arguments. Get up field. Try to follow blocks, if they're there, and be willing to take a five-yard return if that's all that's available. Unfortunately, Hall isn't willing to do the latter. Solid fundamentals won't get you on Letterman.

I doubt they get much of anything for him. He's descending.

Not sure why the Chiefs just don't start trading players that are in that plateau between ascending and descending- when the return value for trading that player is greater.

Sims for example is neither ascending nor descending. I would suffice to say, we could get more for Sims than we could for Hall. And this is because Sims position is in greater need than Hall's is. Hall made other teams reconsider their normal special team practices, but not anymore.

Sims, on the other hand, could become a better player with the right coach, system, and a whole new attitude. It's not likely, but he would be a viable back-up for any team- the guy to come in and give some starter some rest.

Wesley is in that mold as well. A proven safety who's one of the leaders in INT's the past few years. Of course, he's been on a crappy defense and he often misses assignments, but he's neither descending nor ascending. But, he would provide viable and experienced back-up. With the right system, he could actually help a defense with a few INT's.

Wesley and Sims won't get any better trade value than Hall, but a few 5th round picks wouldn't be all that bad.

I'd love to see KC trade Green, Hall, Wesley, Sims, and all the other non-ascending players on this team. They need to get younger, faster, and more athletic real quick- or we are going to be in for a few long seasons.

no depth, it would create more holes

all they have to do is have someone push him forward and make sure he stays going forward

He should never have been more than a 4th WR.

Could they be shopping Dante because they are thinking seriously about drafting Ted Ginn Jr. He would be a definitely upgrade at KR/PR. He would also be an upgrade at WR. :hmmm:

First you complain about him going south on his first step, and then you say that north/south is a return man's friend. Stop confusing me.

Man comes back from the jungle and his first gesture is to be a smart ass, huh? You weren't supposed to touch the cocoa beans, sir; they're only for decoration. :D

X-factor will be missed ....

oh dante what ever will we do with you

WAIT I KNOW!

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No he won't.

Some people might miss Dante though.

:D