Context......................................
 

Don Imus and his racial slur have context. Violence does not nor did not associate with Don Imus towards these black women.

On the other hand, rap music has been and is being used as an expression and extension of hatred, violence and senseless murder. Not only against women, but women and children, innocent bystanders and rival black men. This problem is becoming a blight within our communities, our schools, and our military. Look no further than what this board is based upon. NFL culture. The violence and killing must stop. The comparison of this ‘Imus’ event and what is reality with a dysfunctional black culture is shameful. Imus deserved what he got. Gangsta rap needs a serious war waged against it as well.

That's a fair criticism.

I should have focused as much on other aspects of culture. However, with Sharpton and Jackson leading the charge...THEIR hypocrisy on the issue is more apparent in the hip-hop/rap scene, from where I'm sitting. So that's what I've been zeroed in on. FWIW, I do think it's a much broader issue.

You GO, girl! PBJ PBJ PBJ

[Verse 1:]
Baby look, I'm tied up tryin'
To convince you that I aint caught up lyin'
When she walked past me I looked, so what, big deal
I don't understand how that can make you feel
That my love ain't for real

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Verse 2:]
What you yellin' for, why you screamin'
Girl you act as if you just caught me cheatin'
When you look at other men, and don't act like you don't
I don't' trip because I know that I'm the guy
That you come home to every night

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Rap:]
I must admit it
Sometimes im weak
You don't wanna hear the truth
Don't ask me to speak
Understand
Im not the type to cheat
Im not a dog on the real
Sometimes yeah I feel the heat
But im a son of god
So I can show dat
You know dat
You can write it down
Take a picture with Kodak
You and me more than a physical thing
You da queen im the lord of da ring
Meaning that im tryin
Say, what we got can never be broken
I know these fans are women
They be wishin and hopein
Tryin to blow my spot up
Like they Bin Laden
You can tell them now
Girl it will never happen
I know they checkin for a brotha
Cuz he rappin
When he hit the club
All the owners show him dap and
Signin autographs and such
But you don't see him when
Them girls press up
He be like do not touch
OK

[Verse 3:]
I know I need you right here with me
Your why, know I need you
No other girl will do, 'cuz I need you
Right here with me, know I need you

[Chorus:]
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me (hey)
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
And nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
All I'm sayin' if I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She just can't be you, baby

I believe you're a fan of some rap, and hip-hop, correct? We've discussed music in the past.

I only point it out, because I don't think you have an agenda. Just a good point.

I own some: A.D., LL Cool J, Beastie Boys, Eminem, Nelly, 311 (if you want to call them "rap"--I don't,) BEPs, Outkast, and selected singles from others....yeah.

Thanks, Brandon. I've mentioned it other threads....I even "LIKE" some of the more "offensive" stuff; of course I don't always pay attention to the lyrics as much as the groove. Of course, that's a point that those who would say we are "over-reacting" to this....might make; and it's a fair one.

I just think it's very interesting; and worth talking about.

You make very good points, I agree with you after reading up on it. Why is it ok that a black person says similar stuff, but when a white person says it, it's racist? I've never really understood that.

Holy ****. Yes.

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Again, you are trying to substantiate using a racial slur. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO USES IT. IT IS WRONG. DON'T EFFING USE IT. Clear enough?

That has to be hands down the best post I have ever seen you make. Rep.

Funny, I was thinking the EXACT same thing. :)

You are still equating Chappelle with a Nazi skinhead. Doesn't work. You also have not been able to explain why blacks find the term offensive at all, if in fact a lot of them (lets say half) don't find the term offensive when Chappelle or a rapper uses it.

Actually I didnt. YOU DID. Watch this.......



I said absolutely effing nothing about either nor did I equate speech used by either. Don't compound your hypocrisy and racism with stupidity. Oh, and assuming that using a racial slur is OK for ANYONE is reeruned.

Um, no, read the entire sentence ... I said that such a comparison is reeruned. You are the one contending that it is equally wrong and equally offensive to use a racial slur no matter who is using it or the context. I'm just pointing out the logical conclusion of your argument (i.e., Chappelle = skinhead), and pointing out how dumb that is.

In order for your argument to hold water, you have to explain why many more black people would be offended by an old white guy using the n-word than are offended by Chappelle using it.

Ummm actually you have to be the one to explain why using the slur at all is OK. Oh, and throwing some bullshit invented statistic out there for an argument is lame. You may need to provide a link to substantiate your idiotic ASSumption. Here is some logic for you (I know you have trouble with logic but I will try anyway): If a term is offensive, it is offensive. Not offensive just because whitey said it. Please stop trying to substantiate using racial slurs. Please stop being racist.

It would be interesting to see a real response to that question, wouldn't it? :hmmm:

Yup.

I already answered your question, but I'll state it more simply for you and other members of the short-bus crowd: if black people are not offended when Chappelle uses the n-word, then who the hell are you to come in and tell him he can't use it? (I'm still assuming you are white.) Are you saying that if you can't say it, then he can't say it?

Calling me a racist is a ****ing joke. How you came to that conclusion from anything that I've written in this thread is mind-boggling. If anyone is a racist, it's whites who think that if it's OK for blacks to use the n-word, then it's ok for them to use it too. If that is where you are going with your little "theory" (and I'm still assuming you are not black), then my question would be why you want to use that word so badly in the first place? Why the hell do you care so much if others "get" to use it and you don't? It's none of your business.

As for the statistic, attacking that is a red herring ... I was using it for the sake of argument (and premised it as such). I was not asserting as fact that I had access to some poll saying that 50% of black people think Chappelle is ok and the other half think he's a racist. I was just using it to illustrate the fact that many (if not most) black people do not consider Chappelle to be a racial bigot despite his repeated use of the n-word.

And I love that fact how you haven't even attempted to answer my question: if your theory is correct (i.e., that language is objective and that context is irrelevant in determining whether a racial slur is "offensive"), then how do you explain that Chappelle isn't uniformly denounced by the black community as a racial bigot? Or do you think that blacks aren't really offended when a white person uses the n-word, but they just act like they are in order to further some ulterior motive?

I also like how you dismissed out of hand my hypothetical about calling people "assholes" just because it isn't couched in terms of race. Because it actually destroys your argument. It illustrates perfectly how the threatening and offensive character of words that are ordinarily considered "offensive" can be stripped of that meaning by groups of like-minded individuals (whether it be a racial minority, a homosexual minority, or just a group of friends).

Your little theory doesn't match up with or explain reality. I know this might be hard for you to understand, but the world's a complicated place. Blind adherence to some purely objective view of reality might sound all nice and neat, but "consistency" does not equal "truth".

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

UNHORSED JOCKEY
Behind the Fall of Imus,
A Digital Brush Fire
In a Blur, Watchdogs, Blogs, Email, Spur
Radio Host's Firing
By BROOKS BARNES, EMILY STEEL and SARAH MCBRIDE


At 6:14 a.m. on Wednesday, April 4, relatively few people were tuned into the "Imus in the Morning Show" when Don Imus referred to the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed ho's."

Ryan Chiachiere was. A 26-year-old researcher in Washington, D.C., for liberal watchdog organization Media Matters for America, he was assigned to monitor Mr. Imus's program. Mr. Chiachiere clipped the video, alerted his bosses and started working on a blog post for the organization's Web site.

Yesterday, after eight days of dizzying activity, CBS pulled the plug on Mr. Imus's hugely successful radio show. One day earlier, MSNBC had canceled its broadcast of the show on cable TV. CBS had originally suspended Mr. Imus for two weeks, but succumbed amid an escalating national outcry and an exodus of big advertisers. "All of us have been deeply upset and revulsed by the statements that were made on our air," CBS Corp. CEO Leslie Moonves said yesterday in a written statement.

Mr. Imus, who didn't respond to repeated calls seeking comment, had for years been making outrageous and frequently crude remarks about risky subjects such as race, sex and gender, a style that millions of listeners had embraced. The media executives and advertisers profiting from Mr. Imus's popularity stood by him as protests occasionally surfaced. They usually subsided after a few days.

This time it was different. The target was a sympathetic team of young athletes. In the ensuing furor, the lucrative and often vulgar business of talk radio found itself running into new limits, as the Internet sent Mr. Imus to millions of PC screens, driving executives, advertisers and employees to distance themselves from his racist words.

On the morning of the original broadcast, there was little response to Mr. Imus's slur. Media Matters posted the video and transcript on its Web site and sent an email blast to several hundred reporters, as it does nearly every day. The post received dozens of comments, many heated, some more than 300 words long. The next day, top news outlets didn't mention the incident.

On Thursday, at about 3 p.m., NBC News President Steve Capus was conducting a routine planning meeting in his third-floor offices at Rockefeller Center when an assistant interrupted him to take an urgent phone call, according to a person at the meeting. On the other line: MSNBC General Manager Dan Abrams. Mr. Abrams said MSNBC executives were fielding complaints from viewers and employees who had seen a video clip of Mr. Imus's remark on the Media Matters site, this person says.

The group is a Web-based nonprofit organization devoted to monitoring "conservative misinformation" in print, broadcast, cable, radio and Internet media outlets. It frequently complains about Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. Although the Imus show isn't generally considered conservative, some of its guests are.

Mr. Capus called an emergency meeting with MSNBC's management team, the producers for the TV version of "Imus in the Morning" and the head of public relations for NBC News. Among other decisions, Mr. Capus asked his PR team to draft a statement apologizing on behalf of MSNBC but clearly pointing out that "Imus in the Morning" was a CBS Radio production. MSNBC and NBC are owned by General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal.

At CBS, CEO Leslie Moonves and incoming CBS Radio CEO Dan Mason spoke on the phone and started debating a course of action. About the same time, WFAN, the CBS-owned radio station that broadcast Mr. Imus's show, received a complaint from Rutgers University, according to Bo Dietl, an investigator and security consultant, and friend to Mr. Imus.

In Chicago, Bryan Monroe, president of the National Association of Black Journalists, saw an email sent by one of his executive board members at 5:06 p.m. "FYI -- do we need to address" read the subject line. It was the Media Matters post.

Mr. Monroe, editorial director of Johnson Publishing Co. in charge of Ebony and Jet magazines, wasn't a regular reader of Media Matters or an Imus listener.

He looked at the email. "My first reaction was: 'Oh, no he didn't,'" he says. Then he watched the clip. "I heard the words come out of his mouth and thought, 'Has he lost his mind?'"

Mr. Monroe picked up the phone and started calling other board members. He had guests over for dinner that night, who also were African-American. They talked about the controversy during dinner. Later that night, he was back on the phone with NABJ members and pulled an all-nighter to draft a statement. It said that the 3,200-member organization was "outraged and disgusted" by the comments, and called for "an immediate and sincere apology." Mr. Monroe posted the statement to the NABJ Web site at 5:30 a.m.

Friday morning, there was again scant mention of Mr. Imus's travails in the newspapers, although TV stations were beginning to pick up the story. Mr. Imus began his program, at 6:06 a.m., with an on-air apology. People close to Mr. Imus say he felt pressured to apologize by NBC and CBS executives. He also realized he needed to try to defuse the brewing storm.

"Want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-conceived remark," he said. "Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, and we're sorry."

It was Good Friday and many people already were off for the holiday weekend. News was supposed to slow to a crawl for several days.

Instead, the apology made the story explode. It hit the wires that day, and reporters began to contact CBS and MSNBC. It quickly became clear an apology wasn't going to suffice, and that the weekend wouldn't douse the fire.

David Carr, who writes a Monday media column for the New York Times business section, decided to scrap his planned subject and write about Mr. Imus instead. He called the remark "the kind of unalloyed racial insult that might not have passed muster on a low-watt AM station in the Jim Crow South."

Mr. Imus's problems were compounded by a power vacuum at CBS Radio, which produced his show. Two weeks earlier, CEO Joel Hollander, a longtime supporter of Mr. Imus and his various charities, had resigned. The company had been underperforming lately and was still reeling from the loss of shock-jock Howard Stern to satellite radio. Mr. Hollander's successor, Mr. Mason, wasn't due to start until April 16. He consulted with CBS executives by phone and email from his home outside Washington, D.C.

Mr. Imus's show is on just one CBS station -- WFAN -- but the media giant also earns revenue from syndicating the show to radio stations around the country. CBS owns 18% of the show's syndicator, Westwood One Inc.

Local stations that carry Imus say they sensed the situation was drifting. "Nobody had a firm hand on it," says Gabe Hobbs, head of talk programming at Clear Channel Communications Inc., which airs the Imus show on a handful of stations, including in Washington, D.C., and Providence, R.I. Some station managers say Westwood's affiliate-relations staff stayed in touch with them throughout the week.

Late Friday, WFAN issued a short statement. "We are disappointed by Imus's actions earlier this week, which we find completely inappropriate." The station said it would "monitor the program's content going forward."

On Friday, advertisers including Procter & Gamble Co. started talking about pulling their advertising from MSNBC's daytime schedule, which included Imus.

Civil-rights leaders such as the Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson raised the volume of their protests over the weekend, holding rallies in New York and Chicago. At a Saturday rally at the Harlem headquarters of the National Action Network, Mr. Sharpton called for Mr. Imus to be fired. A Sharpton spokesman says more than 200 people attended. Mr. Imus began to grasp the full consequences of what he had done, says his friend Mr. Dietl.
[Bo Dietl]

"Everybody is coming after me," Mr. Dietl recalls Mr. Imus telling him in a phone call that day. Mr. Imus and Mr. Dietl discussed the possibility of Mr. Imus appearing on Mr. Sharpton's radio show on Monday. Mr. Dietl says he advised against it, saying Mr. Sharpton would use Mr. Imus only to advance his own agenda. But Mr. Imus told his friend he wanted to use the show to apologize again.

CBS managers checked in with each other by phone, according to a spokesman, and NBC News executives gathered for a lengthy conference call on Sunday to map strategy, says Allison Gollust, head of communications for NBC News. Ms. Gollust hosted 15 people at her home for Easter dinner but never saw them.

Both CBS and NBC realized on Monday that critics were focusing their energy on MSNBC. The channel, critics strategized, was more likely to pull the plug because it had less to lose. Mr. Imus generates about $25 million a year for CBS, but only about $8.3 million for MSNBC. And although Mr. Imus reached over two million radio listeners every morning and only about 350,000 television viewers, TV was a more visible platform to attack.

Mr. Dietl offered to appear on Mr. Sharpton's show with Mr. Imus. "He said, 'No, Bo, I want to go on myself. I want to show I'm not afraid to face the music,'" Mr. Dietl recalls, saying Mr. Imus was convinced the controversy would die down after an apology. But the appearance seemed to make matters worse, with critics latching on to Mr. Imus's use of the phrase "you people," in what they said was a bungled apology.

CBS and NBC faced new problems: The Rutgers basketball team called a news conference for Tuesday morning. Another issue: a two-day charity "radio-athon" scheduled for Mr. Imus's show on Thursday and Friday.

At 6:30 p.m., MSNBC issued a harsh statement announcing it was suspending the show for two weeks, calling Mr. Imus's comments "racist" and "abhorrent." CBS 15 minutes later released its own statement saying it also would suspend the show.

The Rutgers news conference the next day was devastating. Carried live on cable TV, it went on for more than an hour. The coach gave a lengthy speech, before the 10 young women on the team, eight of whom are black, were introduced. They looked uncomfortable in the media glare. Without a hint of professional polish, their remarks came across as heartfelt.

For years, Mr. Imus had been somewhat inoculated from criticism because along with the edgy shtick, he addressed serious issues with guests from the political and media establishment. Presidential candidates (John Kerry, John McCain, Joseph Biden) top journalists (NBC's Tim Russert, David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell) and writers with a book to sell made stops on the show. Mr. Imus also pushed worthy charities, including his New Mexico ranch which hosted children with cancer.

But it soon became clear that events were moving at a speed he couldn't control.

P&G, the nation's largest advertiser, and one of its most conservative, says it quietly pulled ads from the TV broadcast on Friday but it didn't announce it until Tuesday when reporters started calling. P&G pulled ads from MSNBC's daytime schedule.

Mr. Capus called a meeting for 4:30 p.m. Tuesday with African-American employees in the news division, many of whom had complained to managers that MSNBC was sticking with Mr. Imus. The meeting, slated for 45 minutes, stretched for nearly two hours as employees -- some emotional and frank -- argued for axing the broadcast, according to two people who attended.

Jarred by the confrontation, Mr. Capus left the meeting and started lobbying CEO Jeff Zucker to pull the plug, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Senior NBC executives arrived at work on Wednesday to a flood of advertisers clamoring to pull their money from "Imus in the Morning." General Motors Corp., American Express Co., and GlaxoSmithKline PLC all followed P&G's lead. American Express's CEO Kenneth Chenault, an African-American, made the decision personally on Tuesday morning, says a spokeswoman for the financial giant.

At Sprint Nextel Corp., CEO Gary D. Forsee heard about the incident and agreed the spots should be pulled. Sprint employees had lobbied for the move, including members of an African-American Sprint employee group called the Diamond Network, says spokesman Chris Doherty. Sprint publicly confirmed its decision Wednesday.

Mark LaNeve, GM's vice president of North American vehicle sales, service and marketing, had been an occasional guest on Mr. Imus's program, appearing as recently as last Thursday. Over the years Mr. LaNeve had arranged for GM to donate vehicles to Mr. Imus's ranch for sick children. On Tuesday, as advertisers were beginning to pull out, GM said it had "no plans to make any changes at this point." A day later GM changed its mind. Yesterday, Mr. LaNeve and another top marketing executive decided to drop the ads altogether.

At NBC Universal, the only debate left was whether to announce the cancellation of the simulcast that day or wait until the charity telethon was concluded. In the early afternoon, Mr. Zucker checked in with GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, who had in turn been taking the pulse of GE board members, according to a person close to Mr. Immelt. At a 5 p.m. meeting, Mr. Zucker made the call to pull the plug immediately. "This is the right thing to do," Mr. Zucker said, according to a person in the room.

Communications executives drafted statements to release to employees and the media. NBC News executives called Mr. Imus, and Mr. Zucker placed a tense phone call to CBS's Mr. Moonves around 6 p.m. letting him know the decision.

Mr. Dietl had been reaching out to Mr. Moonves's boss, CBS Chairman Sumner Redstone, on Mr. Imus's behalf. "Two words should not ruin a person's career," he recalls telling Mr. Redstone. A spokesman for Mr. Redstone confirms the media mogul spoke with Mr. Dietl but otherwise declines to comment.

On Wednesday, CBS board member Bruce Gordon, a former head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, dropped a bomb by telling the Associated Press he had called on Mr. Moonves to fire Mr. Imus.

Mr. Redstone left the decision to pull the show largely to Mr. Moonves, says a person familiar with the matter. On Thursday morning, Mr. Moonves spent an hour and a half meeting with about 10 African-American leaders and women's rights advocates.

Mr. Moonves called Mr. Imus late yesterday afternoon at home and told him that his show was canceled, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Imus was awoken from a nap to take the call, Mr. Dietl says.

Other controversial radio hosts have gravitated to satellite, where there are fewer rules governing on-air standards. That happened with Mr. Stern, and with Opie & Anthony, a duo fired from CBS in August 2002 for encouraging a couple to have sex in New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral.

But right now, the two satellite companies, Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. and XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., are trying to merge, and need approval from the Federal Communications Commissions. FCC chief Kevin Martin is sensitive to complaints about indecency, and the companies wouldn't want to do anything that would jeopardize their merger prospects, says one satellite radio executive.

Mr. Imus's friend Mr. Dietl, a former New York City Police Department detective, blames the brouhaha on a fundamental mistake made by the radio host. While many others can get away with using offensive language, Mr. Dietl says, "the problem here was the people he talked about were innocent, lovely young ladies who strived and did something great."

http://online.wsj.com/public/article..._20070513.html

Ultimately Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson had little impact on the decision making process to fire Imus.

Advertisers let their money talk.

rumor has it that BC and OW and others are the reason he took the "hiatus"...

Big deal violence is associated with rap, woop te fuckin do. Violence is associated with video games, television, movies and a lot of other things. Half of what we associate with is filled with violence. Talk about a double standard.

Pssssst.....Jim...

We is goin' after all of dem der, pal. Dis is jes da beginnin'.

:p

"SEX, DRUGS, and ROCK 'N ROLL"

A reminder from someone would be greatly appreciated. What was the name of the band that went to court to defend themselves for influencing some young person to either kill themselves or someone else? Does anyone recall this incident?

FAX

Marilyn Manson because of Columbine?

No, it was some heavy metal band from many years ago. I'll see if I can google this up.

I'll search for it too.

FAX

Judas Priest. They were accused of having subliminal messages in their tracks.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A964958260

FAX

(predictable response) one man's trash is another man's treasure, or some such happy horseshit...

anyhoo, i remember how early rock and roll was considered evil by adults...

and if you watched elvis sing (and swing his hips), you were possessed by some kind of mutant sex demon and ruined for life...

that rock and roll stuff was really immoral and dangerous back in the day...

it would either make you blind or turn you into one of "them" (oh horror of horrors)...

even ed sullivan would not let the cameras show any of the swingin' and swayin' that elvis would do whenever he sang...

old ed gave the crew strict orders to keep the camera on the upper part of his body, elvis' body i mean...

were you born in the 40's or 50's?

it really was sex, drugs and rock and roll in the late 60's and early 70's...

no kidding, i was there... :Peace: :peace:

weren't the beatles accused of that too?

especially the white album...

iirc, you were supposed to play the record backwards to hear the messages...

but after your first acid trip, you didn't need to do that...

you could play it backwards in your mind anytime you wanted...

boy, those were the days!! PBJ PBJ PBJ PBJ PBJ PBJ :Peace:

i drop that black album
then i back out it
as the best rapper alive
***** ask about me

I almost feel guilty for liking this one too; but going after Imus may mean Jay Z and others will have to just be more creative; the groove will still be there.

But as a teacher the kids keep me young. Least that's my "excuse"...as if I need one. ;)

You now tuned into the muhf**kin greatest!
Turn the music up in the head phones
Tell em' you can gone grush ya shoulders off n****, I got you

Chorus-If you feelin like a PIMP n**** gone brush ya shoulders off
Ladies is PIMPS too, gone brush ya shoulders off. N****s is crazy baby dont forget that boy that told you, GET THAT DIRT OFF YOUR SHOULDER

Probably owe it to y'all
Probably be locked by the force
Tryna' hustle some things that go with the porsche
Feelin no remorse, feelin like my head was forced
Middle finger to the law, N**** grippin my balls
Said the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
All the ballas is bouncin, they like the way I be leanin
All the rappers be hatin off the track that I'm makin
But all the hustlers they love it, just to see one of us make it
Came from the bottom of bottom to the top of the box
N**** run through Japan and I'm straight off the block
Like a runnin back, get it man, I'm straight off the block
I can run it back n**** cuz I'm straight with the ROC

Chorus-If you feelin like a PIMP n**** gone brush ya shoulders off
Ladies is PIMPS to gone brush ya shoulders off. N****s is crazy baby dont forget that boy told you get that dirt of your shoulderx4

Yo homie HOV in position, in the kitchen with soda
I just whipped up a watch, tryna to get me a ROVA
Tryin to stretch out the coca like a wrestler, yes sir
Keep the heckala close, you know them smokas will test ya
But like 52 cards went out, now I'm through dealin now
52 bars come out, now you feel em now
52 cars roll out remove ceilings, incase 52 broads come out
Now you chillin with a boss b**** cause S.C. on the sleeve at the 40/40 club ESPN on the screen
I paid a grip for the jeans, plus the slippers is clean
No chrome on the wheels, I'ma balla foreal, CHILL!

Chorus

Boy back in the building
Brooklyn we back on the map
Me and my beautiful Bi--itch in the back of that back
I'm the realest to run it, I just happen to rap
I aint gotta clap at em, n****s scared of that black
I drop that Black Album, then I back out it as the best rapper alive, n****s ask about me
From bricks to Billboards, grams to Grammy's
the O's to opposite, off the anny
You got a problem J for selling out the Garden in a day
I'm like a young Marvin in his hay
I'ma hustleler homie, you a customer chrony
I got some dirt on my shoulder, could you brush it off for me

Chorus till end

No wonder people think you flipflop in the DC forum

I've been called Nappy Headed Chief before......those people should be fired also...clearly I should have been insulted and just wasn't smart enough to know better.

I live in the real world. Just like you, Stevie.

I know what IS; yet I aspire to what might be. :)

Hence, I like Jay Z, as he is...in the "real;" yet I know his groove would still be happening, without the potentially offensive crap.

The "is" vs. the "ought to be."




Think about it, bro. :hmmm:

couldn't make the point without posting the lyrics...?

:hmmm:

Yeah, I could have.

I thought that a familiarity with what I'm criticizing might earn me a little credibility on the topic though.

You follow? :)

If you haven't ever heard the "Grey Album" you should check it out. Dangermouse (one of the guys in Gnarls Barkley) took Jay's Black Album vocals and completely remixed it using nothing but samples from the Beatles "White Album." If you google Jay-Z "Grey Album," you should be able to find it, though all I could find were torrent downloads. Not sure if you have any torrent software or not. It's very cool.

Oh, and in the spirit of this turn of the thread. Some of my personal favorite hova lyrics:

I swear, you are the little brother I never had, man. :hmmm:

You know what they say about youngest children, though....especially compared to oldest sibling types like me. Heh.

That's probably REAL scarey for you, heh. :p

I second this... very cool.