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ChiefsLV 04-13-2007 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
You mean "Las Vegas?" Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Spanish city...
So because we have some Spanish city names, we should open the border?

:clap:

Why did we ever take the west.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
Italy and Czechoslovakia.
Well, that explains it.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsLV
So because we have some Spanish city names, we should open the border?

:clap:

Why did we ever take the west.
Because we were greedy and uncaring.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Well, that explains it.
I don't see your meaning.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
I don't see your meaning.
There's a shock.

stevieray 04-13-2007 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
You, sir, are a cruel, heartless beast.
you know it's ironic watching you trying to take frankie to the woodshed over his oath to become a citizen, but now are contradicting that same oath, by endorsing those who break our laws.

I'm all for people who want a better life, just follow the rules.

some people deal drugs to support their families, doesn't make it right.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
There's a shock.
I've never seen you act in any manner other than civil. In this thread you've called someone a racist when you had no basis to do so, now you are being insulting towards me for no apparent reason.
What's the deal? Is this subject too close for you to approach rationally?

Donger 04-13-2007 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray
you know it's ironic watching you trying to take frankie to the woodshed over his oath to become a citizen, but now are contradicting that same oath, by endorsing those who break our laws.

I'm all for people who want a better life, just follow the rules.

some people deal drugs to support their families, doesn't make it right.
I was wrong to attack Frankie. He has every right to have allegiance to Iran. We ARE one world, and should be one nation the world over. National borders are a farce.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
I've never seen you act in any manner other than civil. In this thread you've called someone a racist when you had no basis to do so, now you are being insulting towards me for no apparent reason.
What's the deal? Is this subject too close for you to approach rationally?
Are you not the person who refers to non legally participating of Mexican origin migrant guest workers as "be*ners?"

stevieray 04-13-2007 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
I was wrong to attack Frankie. He has every right to have allegiance to Iran. We ARE one world, and should be one nation the world over. National borders are a farce.

that's great...in the meantime, you are still wrong for endorsing illegal activity.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Are you not the person who refers to non legally participating of Mexican origin migrant guest workers as "be*ners?"
Yep I sure do.
Don't dodge the issue. Why did you ask the names of the countries from which my family emigrated and then say "well that explains it"?

Sully 04-13-2007 06:16 PM
I thin it's clear that someone in this thread is being dishonest, and that others are biting hook, line ans sinker.

ChiefsLV 04-13-2007 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Are you not the person who refers to non legally participating of Mexican origin migrant guest workers as "be*ners?"
I refer to Home Depot as person of Hispanic heritage Depot sometimes. My Mexican-American friend thinks it's funny too.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
I was wrong to attack Frankie. He has every right to have allegiance to Iran. We ARE one world, and should be one nation the world over. National borders are a farce.
National borders are a farce? ROFL
Wow, we are witnessing the complete and total meltdown of Donger.

KC Dan 04-13-2007 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Were you born here?
Yep and so were my parents but my grandparents immigrated legally from Scotland and Ireland.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sully
I thin it's clear that someone in this thread is being dishonest, and that others are biting hook, line ans sinker.
God I hope so. Donger is one of my favorite posters.
Dong, are you pulling my leg here?

Donger 04-13-2007 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
Yep I sure do.
Don't dodge the issue. Why did you ask the names of the countries from which my family emigrated and then say "well that explains it"?
Because you don't understand "the struggle" that non legally paticipating migrant guest workers of Mexican origin have to go though.

stevieray 04-13-2007 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sully
I thin it's clear that someone in this thread is being dishonest, and that others are biting hook, line ans sinker.

that thought crossed my mind.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsLV
I refer to Home Depot as person of Hispanic heritage Depot sometimes. My Mexican-American friend thinks it's funny too.
Yes, I'm sure he thinks it's a hoot.

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Because you don't understand "the struggle" that non legally paticipating migrant guest workers of Mexican origin have to go though.
LMAO you son of a bitch. You had me until this one. My compliments, you played the role very well.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
National borders are a farce? ROFL
Wow, we are witnessing the complete and total meltdown of Donger.
I've had an epiphany. If you consider that a "meltdown," so be it.

Donger 04-13-2007 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Dan
Yep and so were my parents but my grandparents immigrated legally from Scotland and Ireland.
Well, they were probably drunk and fighting each other then.

KC Dan 04-13-2007 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Well, they were probably drunk and fighting each other then.
:)

Donger 04-13-2007 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
LMAO you son of a bitch. You had me until this one. My compliments, you played the role very well.
Took you tards long enough. Come on... "non legally paticipating migrant guest workers of Mexican origin?" That took a lot of effort.

Silock 04-13-2007 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
I said I was sorry.
I know, but you didn't say that you were really changing your perspective on it.

And even if you aren't trying to make something racial out of it, the people in the article are.

Silock 04-13-2007 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Took you tards long enough. Come on... "non legally paticipating migrant guest workers of Mexican origin?" That took a lot of effort.
Hey, it kept me busy for an hour :)

I contemplated asking if you were just trolling, but I was afraid I'd get called a racist again ROFL

vailpass 04-13-2007 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Took you tards long enough. Come on... "non legally paticipating migrant guest workers of Mexican origin?" That took a lot of effort.
My hat goes off to you; you had me. LMAO
:toast:

stevieray 04-13-2007 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
My hat goes off to you; you had me. LMAO
:toast:

no kidding...rep to him and Sully..

Halfcan 04-13-2007 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Silock
Lawmaker Under Fire For 'Illegal Alien' E-Mail
Man Apologizes; Some Colleagues Not Satisfied

A state lawmaker is coming under fire for sending what he thought was a funny e-mail message to his colleagues.

Some people do not find it very amusing and want him to make a public apology.

Rep. Don Brown, R-DeFuniak Springs, sent a message from his state e-mail account that said, "Don't forget to pay your taxes - 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!"

Brown said the message was intended to be humorous and to remind people about the upcoming tax deadline.

He apologized and said as far as he's concerned, he's done with the issue.

But members of the Florida Hispanic Legislative Caucus are taking exception to Brown's e-mail, calling it inappropriate and saying such e-mails have no place in the Florida House.

"That term, illegal alien, is extremely insulting to many individuals and I think there has to be something a little bit more public and a little bit more contrite in his apology," an unidentified member of the caucus said.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.

http://www.local6.com/news/11856683/detail.html
_________________________________________________________________

WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO CALL THEM!? Citizen-ly-challenged???

Cheech and Chong are going over to his house and getting an apology.

Halfcan 04-13-2007 08:01 PM
If you don't like be called an illegal alien ( if in fact you are one)- get the **** out of this country then.

JohnnyV13 04-13-2007 08:04 PM
if you let too many people on the boat, its going to sink. I know it sucks for the people left at the harbor, but TOO FREAK'N BAD.

BTW Donger, don't give me that "put yourself in their shoes" stuff. My dad is an immigrant and I have MANY immigrant family and acquaintances. They ALL are here legally. The did it by having jobs/professions that were deemed useful by the immigration service and they applied and were admitted.

I will agree the illegals are not "evil" people. At the same time, you cannot have total open borders, or you will have overpopulation and it will end up breaking our social services.

If we lived in a world where there was no public education, public roads and hospitals required to maintain emergency rooms open to the public, fire and police services paid for by tax dollars, then perhaps open borders might not be detrimental. Instead, we live in a world where illegal aliens can demand these services.

We must keep control over how many people we allow here, and to ensure they are useful to our society.

crazycoffey 04-13-2007 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass
God I hope so. Donger is one of my favorite posters.
Dong, are you pulling my leg here?

Well, of course he was. It's Donger's thing, I caught on shortly after our first interaction. Now I like to play his game and it's a fun way to pass time.

Damn I wish I hadn't missed this, it would have been fun to smack on him for endorsing illicit behavior. See what happens when I log off for a few hours. That's it I'm not leaving again.

KC Dan 04-13-2007 09:27 PM
NUTHOOKS!!! It took me until 4:23 to catch on when you busted on my family for fighting.
Very well played, sir!

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 10:16 PM
I have a single, non violent, non sexual, non drug related felony over 10 years ago, yet I see ILLEGAL ALIENS getting work, any work, that I would be willing to do. These ILLEGALS are treated better, with more rights, than a natural born citizen who has paid his debt to society. fuck the person of Hispanic heritages

Silock 04-13-2007 10:20 PM
Easy there, Hitler. The point of the thread isn't to espouse racist ideologies. Your situation sucks, but is it really the fault of a Mexican?

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 10:31 PM
Uh, Yeah, it is their fault. And Hitler? Dude, I know you can do better than run of the mill generic. Why not Pol Pot? Or not enough education for that?

FAX 04-13-2007 10:43 PM
I don't understand, Mr. The Dude Abides. Are you saying that your background checks are precluding you from finding employment? If so, I consider that to be very unfortunate, indeed.

As for the Crazy Puppy Farts, is there a particular job that one of them has that you would, indeed, want?

FAX

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 10:52 PM
Yes, Mr. Fax, every employer now has cheap or free access to criminal background checks. I am about to have to work at a McJob for $5.50 an hour, while some Crazy Puppy Fart can do construction work for $10 or $12 an hour. I would gladly take one of their jobs. They do not take jobs we dont want, thats just the propaganda.

Silock 04-13-2007 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Uh, Yeah, it is their fault. And Hitler? Dude, I know you can do better than run of the mill generic. Why not Pol Pot? Or not enough education for that?
I don't know what the entire country of Mexico conspired to get you found guilty of, but are you absolutely certain it's the fault of the ones who are here that you are in the situation in which you currently find yourself?

And Pol Pot? Please. If you wanted to impress me, you should have gone for Timur Lenk.

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 10:56 PM
I have no desire to impress you. I take responsibility for my crime, so you can twist my words anyway you want. The point is, they are here ILLEGALY, and have better prospects for employment than a natural citizen who paid for his crimes.

Silock 04-13-2007 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
I have no desire to impress you. I take responsibility for my crime, so you can twist my words anyway you want. The point is, they are here ILLEGALY, and have better prospects for employment than a natural citizen who paid for his crimes.
I'm not trying to twist your words, man. You're being very un-Dude-like.

I feel for you. I really do. I have a couple of friends that are in the exact same situation.

However, it's not the fault of Mexicans here legally that you can't work the job you'd like. I don't have a problem with you being upset at the ones that are here illegally, either. I just don't think you should be tossing around phrases like "F the person of Hispanic heritages" so wantonly. Your situation sucks, but it's not an excuse for racism, IMO.

FAX 04-13-2007 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Yes, Mr. Fax, every employer now has cheap or free access to criminal background checks. I am about to have to work at a McJob for $5.50 an hour, while some Crazy Puppy Fart can do construction work for $10 or $12 an hour. I would gladly take one of their jobs. They do not take jobs we dont want, thats just the propaganda.
I completely agree with the propaganda statement, Mr. The Dude Abides. 100%. The lady who cleans my office suite has to work two jobs and combine them for a decent wage for much the same reason.

I thought that, after a time, those things were expunged from your record, I guess I was wrong. I sincerely wish there was something I could do for you, but my business isn't located there. Perhaps I'll think of something, though. Everyone deserves a chance to make a decent living.

FAX

Silock 04-13-2007 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
I thought that, after a time, those things were expunged from your record, I guess I was wrong.
You're both wrong and right. It depends entirely on which state you're in. The rights of felons, both working and voting and most (I think some Federal statutes exist, but I'm not 100% certain on that part) other privileges are entirely in the domain of each individual state.

FAX 04-13-2007 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Silock
You're both wrong and right. It depends entirely on which state you're in. The rights of felons, both working and voting and most (I think some Federal statutes exist, but I'm not 100% certain on that part) other privileges are entirely in the domain of each individual state.
Hmmm. It seems to me, Mr. Silock, that after 10 years and no further problems, a man shouldn't be precluded from work (in construction, for heaven's sake) based on a past crime. Especially if it wasn't a sex-related or violent offense.

That just doesn't feel right to me. Thanks for the information, by the way.

FAX

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 11:07 PM
Thank you for understanding, Mr. Fax. I actually hired a lawyer for $500 and had my court date two weeks ago, but the judge and district attorney both denied my petition for expungment, on the basis that they didnt think I learned my lesson yet. Not even a speeding ticket in the last 7 years, but I guess I havent learned my lesson.

Silock 04-13-2007 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Hmmm. It seems to me, Mr. Silock, that after 10 years and no further problems, a man shouldn't be precluded from work (in construction, for heaven's sake) based on a past crime. Especially if it wasn't a sex-related or violent offense.

That just doesn't feel right to me. Thanks for the information, by the way.

FAX
Hey, I whole-heartedly agree with you. It's silly to restrict the rights of people for things that affect them directly, like work and voting. You've either paid your debt to society, or you haven't.

The only part of his statement I have an issue with is the racism. Other than that, I'm totally with him.

FAX 04-13-2007 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Silock
Hey, I whole-heartedly agree with you. It's silly to restrict the rights of people for things that affect them directly, like work and voting. You've either paid your debt to society, or you haven't.

The only part of his statement I have an issue with is the racism. Other than that, I'm totally with him.
Well, I look at it this way, Mr. The Dude Abides has been handed the shitty end of the flagpole and is probably a little upset by that fact. Ergo and therefore, his animosity towards the Crazy Puppy Farts who are virtually taking groceries out of his fridge is somewhat understandable.

I'm fairly certain that, if and when Mr. The Dude Abides' situation improves, so will his tolerance.

FAX

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 11:14 PM
Problem with racism? I wish I lived in the Ivory Tower. Seriously, if left and right a certain type of people were making it increasing hard for you to provide for yourself, would you not be a little bitter? I'm white, and I get called names based on my race, thats just the nature of humans. Deal with it.

The Dude Abides 04-13-2007 11:17 PM
Once again, Mr. Fax, you impress me with you grasp of the situation, and I commend you for it. And with that, I am calling it a night.

Silock 04-13-2007 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Problem with racism? I wish I lived in the Ivory Tower. Seriously, if left and right a certain type of people were making it increasing hard for you to provide for yourself, would you not be a little bitter?
Dude, I'm not judging you, but is it their fault that you're a felon? I don't know what you did, and it really doesn't matter to me. You've paid your debt, and I'm fine with that. But are you placing the blame correctly here?

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I'm white, and I get called names based on my race, thats just the nature of humans. Deal with it.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Silock 04-13-2007 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
I'm fairly certain that, if and when Mr. The Dude Abides' situation improves, so will his tolerance.
I hope so. Just my personal belief that that isn't the way it should be.

/goes back to live in his Ivory Tower

FAX 04-13-2007 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Silock
I hope so. Just my personal belief that that isn't the way it should be.

/goes back to live in his Ivory Tower
Ideally no. Still, we're all human, Mr. Silock.

Sometimes circumstances cause us to suppress our better nature. It's a natural reaction fostered by our survival instinct. Kind of like when one bad-ass monkey steals another monkey's banana. It's monkey war, man.

FAX

Silock 04-13-2007 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
It's monkey war, man.
[The Media]That's it! We're calling Al Sharpton! He's going to get your sponsors to revoke their funding! [/The Media]

No, I agree with you. Perhaps I was overly harsh, perhaps not. In any case, his comments just struck me like a cheese grater to the brain stem.

Dude Abides, I do sincerely wish you the best and I hope everything works out for you.

Rausch 04-13-2007 11:42 PM
You're an illegal alien.

Cope. I hate you entering my country ILLEGALY more than you hate the term. Stand in line like every other starving and suffering immigrant who wants out of their $#ithole country...

mikey23545 04-14-2007 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla
I wonder if people would have been upset by: Don't forget to pay your taxes: Haliburton needs new window dressings!

(Of course, neither one bothers me)
If it had said that, Dems would want him to run for president with Cindy Sheehan as his running mate.

CHIEF4EVER 04-14-2007 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Donger
They WANT a better life. Don't you get that?
Of course I get that. WHO DOESN'T?

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They do the jobs Americans don't want to do.
I call BS on that one and I am speaking from personal experience. People here would LOVE to get some of the production jobs or construction jobs, even at a low wage. Problem is they CAN'T. Why? Because crooked employers dodge the tax code by hiring illegal workers for cash. They don't have to pay benefits or employer portion taxes for those workers because "they don't exist" on the books. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, my fellow 'Ozarkians' get to stay unemployed because there are no jobs available. Don't my fellow citizens have the right to "WANT a better life"? To support their families and pay their bills? How is it that an illegal has more right to do that than our law abiding citizens? Sorry Donger, your argument doesn't add up M8.

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That alone forgives them breaking some arcane law, IMO.
The law isn't arcane and no it doesn't.


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