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Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX
I really don't disagree with this, Mr. Mecca. When it comes to Jackson, I haven't watched him a lot, so I'll have to take your word on him.

However, I've long suspected that LJ would rather work on his pouty face than his blocking and receiving skills. He's actually pretty hard to figure out. He excels at times and appears disinterested at others. Like when he's making a half-ass effort at catching a pass.

FAX


He's just not what I believe to be a TRUE football player. Football players want nothing but to be the best at what they do. I really think LJ wants to be an entrepreneur and an actor and a video game designer etc. He has skills and he uses them, but I think he is constantly thinking about other things he'd rather be doing. I think he gets bored with football.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts
He's just not what I believe to be a TRUE football player. Football players want nothing but to be the best at what they do. I really think LJ wants to be an entrepreneur and an actor and a video game designer etc. He has skills and he uses them, but I think he is constantly thinking about other things he'd rather be doing. I think he gets bored with football.


Make no mistake, I have nothing to back this up. It's just my opinion. ;)

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts
He's just not what I believe to be a TRUE football player. Football players want nothing but to be the best at what they do. I really think LJ wants to be an entrepreneur and an actor and a video game designer etc. He has skills and he uses them, but I think he is constantly thinking about other things he'd rather be doing. I think he gets bored with football.

I disagree. Why else would he go and bust ass with Carini this offseason?

Mecca 04-21-2007 04:18 PM

Also for that post earlier......Steven Jackson has 133 catches in the last 2 years I'd say that's better than marginal hands.......I think that's more than any of our WR's have had in that time frame.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I disagree. Why else would he go and bust ass with Carini this offseason?


I hope he is. fuck do I hope he is. I had forgotten about that. I hope this is the year that he takes this more seriously than he ever has before. I just don't think that up to this point it has been his top priority. I don't think he was challenged enough.

Mecca 04-21-2007 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I disagree. Why else would he go and bust ass with Carini this offseason?

Believe it when I see it.......he still has the same flaws he had 3 years ago and they aren't athletic flaws they are work and effort flaws.....

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts
I hope he is. fuck do I hope he is. I had forgotten about that. I hope this is the year that he takes this more seriously than he ever has before. I just don't think that up to this point it has been his top priority. I don't think he was challenged enough.


I changed my mind. It has been his top priority. Just too many other priorities to really be able to give it the focus that most other guys do. Larry has a lot of aspirations and football is only one of them. I hope this is the year that it takes the precedence it needs.

OctoberFart 04-21-2007 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
http://chiefs.scout.com/2/637402.html

Nothing gets Chiefs fans worked up like trade rumors surrounding running back Larry Johnson.


You should change that to nothing gets me worked up like thinking of LJ and getting on your knees to please him.

You seem to be the only one who is visibly upset with the rumors.

the Talking Can 04-21-2007 04:56 PM

I still smile when I think of Denver passing on Stephen Jackson...

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
I still smile when I think of Denver passing on Stephen Jackson...

Dude, they have DJ Williams. You can't place a value on the awesome 76 tackles and 1 sack he had last year.

the Talking Can 04-21-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Dude, they have DJ Williams. You can't place a value on the awesome 76 tackles and 1 sack he had last year.

yes, I believe that was back in the "Shanahan can find a RB in any round" era....

Mile High Mania 04-21-2007 07:31 PM

I still get upset when I think back to Denver passing on Steven Jackson...

Fire Me Boy! 04-21-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
I still get upset when I think back to Denver passing on Steven Jackson...

That brought a little smile to my face. :D

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 10:54 PM

Bump for Logical.

CupidStunt 04-22-2007 04:27 AM

Jackson is a solid RB but he's not in LJ's league. Earl Campbell wasn't much of a receiver, either, but he was a dominant back - and LJ's in that mold. Obviously not at that level but held in relative regard.

41 receptions with a 10ypc average isn't bad for a guy who's absolutely dominant running the football. Jackson caught twice as many but had just one more touchdown and averaged a yard per catch less. That kind of difference in production isn't NEARLY enough to make up for the fact that LJ is a much better runner.

Jackson's blocking isn't great, either. I don't know why some people are on his nuts here like he's Walter Payton but the dude isn't much better than LJ at all.

Hammock Parties 04-22-2007 05:33 AM

By the way, I'm very disappointed that no one said anything about my awesome Steve Bono joke.

boogblaster 04-22-2007 06:11 AM

LJ hes da-man ....

htismaqe 04-22-2007 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp
Jackson is a solid RB but he's not in LJ's league. Earl Campbell wasn't much of a receiver, either, but he was a dominant back - and LJ's in that mold. Obviously not at that level but held in relative regard.

41 receptions with a 10ypc average isn't bad for a guy who's absolutely dominant running the football. Jackson caught twice as many but had just one more touchdown and averaged a yard per catch less. That kind of difference in production isn't NEARLY enough to make up for the fact that LJ is a much better runner.

Jackson's blocking isn't great, either. I don't know why some people are on his nuts here like he's Walter Payton but the dude isn't much better than LJ at all.

Exactly.

StcChief 04-22-2007 09:12 AM

Good article... likely won't be trading LJ yet. unless an offer Chiefs can't refuse appears.

LJ learns to block and catch outta the backfield. We can put him up with LT. or throw a TD occasional trick play.


His Jim Brown running style may not allow for those others skills to develop. He should work on those.

Katie 04-22-2007 10:07 AM

Does anyone think that if LJ played for another team, he'd be any happier?

I'm thinkin' not.

Taco John 04-22-2007 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
http://chiefs.scout.com/2/637402.html

Nothing gets Chiefs fans worked up like trade rumors surrounding running back Larry Johnson.

If I had a dime for every time someone has called Johnson a “malcontent” or a “locker room cancer,” or stated that he hates Kansas City and wants to play on the east coast, I’d probably have amassed riches approaching the value of his upcoming contract.

So when Warpaint Illustrated’s Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan reported on Friday that the Chiefs are seriously shopping Johnson around the league, the resulting fallout among fans was both predictable and discouraging.

Why are people so quick to cast aside the finest player this franchise has seen since Derrick Thomas? It’s almost like Chiefs fans don’t feel they’re entitled to a player with Johnson’s talent.

Fortunately, I think there’s very little chance of LJ being shipped out of town anytime soon. The whole idea that General Manager Carl Peterson would dump one of his greatest draft picks in the prime of his career is completely ridiculous.

Let’s examine the facts.

Is Johnson a malcontent? No. As Athan reported Friday, Johnson is working out with the team, has not threatened a holdout and hasn’t demanded a trade (unlike some other players).

Why is it seemingly impossible for Johnson to shake this “cancer” label? Some people simply can’t forgive or forget the past. LJ’s 2003 domestic incident may end up haunting his entire career – even if he continues to keep his nose clean, as he’s done since his rookie season.

Compared to a legitimate cancer like Baltimore’s Willis McGahee, Johnson is an angel. Bills fans, almost across the board, despise their former running back for his behavior off the field, his lack of effort on the field and the way he shunned the city of Buffalo.

So far, Johnson hasn’t come close to demonstrating any of these character flaws. He hasn’t even disparaged Kansas City restaurants (I know you’re reading, Steve).

The Chiefs aren’t going to trade Johnson. As I pointed out before, he’s one of Peterson’s best draft picks. If you look at Carl’s history with players like Thomas and Tony Gonzalez, he holds on to his biggest hits.

It took a coaching decision to get Donnie Edwards out of town, and Carl snapped him up via free agency as soon as he was available this offseason. I realize that Neil Smith wasn’t re-signed in 1997 and left for Denver, but that was a money issue. The Chiefs have no other big superstar at the moment competing for money with Johnson, as Smith was with Thomas. Furthermore, the Chiefs’ cap situation is in great shape, especially after the bargain contracts they wisely handed out in free agency this offseason.

Now look at the Priest Holmes contract situation following 2002. Priest was a 30-year old running back coming off a major injury. But once he proved he was healthy, Carl gave him a big contract with a $10 million signing bonus.

Johnson has no such hang-ups. He’s in his prime, has had no injuries, and after carrying the load as the starter in 2006, has absolutely nothing to prove. My gut feeling says Carl will pay up.

LJ is KC’s meal ticket. Without him, they’ll be lucky to finish 6-10 next season. The same couldn’t be said of Holmes and the Chiefs in 2003, when the offensive line was so dominant it allowed Derrick Blaylock to flourish and Trent Green to post Pro Bowl numbers.

When you really examine the situation, there’s just not a whole lot of good reasons to ship Johnson out of Kansas City.

So what’s really going on? This is all one big smoke screen for the draft. The Chiefs are doing an excellent job of concealing what players they’re interested in, and with an attention-grabbing story circulating - like the possibility of trading their star running back – their true intentions are even better masked.

Of course, this could be about money. Athan reported that Johnson possibly desires a contract close to the value of the eight-year, $60 million deal Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson signed in 2004.

You can’t make a serious argument that Johnson doesn’t deserve a comparable contract. The Chiefs are being cheap if they don’t give him a deal that makes him the highest-paid player in team history.

Guess what? The Chiefs aren’t cheap and, despite their hang-ups, the fans will forget about all this nonsense when Johnson scores his first touchdown of 2007 – in red and gold.



This is one of the worst articles I can remember ever reading. "The LJ trade rumors are false because I want them to be. Let me explain why..."

Taco John 04-22-2007 11:14 AM

Oh, no wonder... It's a Wendler joint...

milkman 04-22-2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp
Jackson is a solid RB but he's not in LJ's league. Earl Campbell wasn't much of a receiver, either, but he was a dominant back - and LJ's in that mold. Obviously not at that level but held in relative regard.

41 receptions with a 10ypc average isn't bad for a guy who's absolutely dominant running the football. Jackson caught twice as many but had just one more touchdown and averaged a yard per catch less. That kind of difference in production isn't NEARLY enough to make up for the fact that LJ is a much better runner.

Jackson's blocking isn't great, either. I don't know why some people are on his nuts here like he's Walter Payton but the dude isn't much better than LJ at all.

The problem is that with LJ there's a feeling, at least for me, and I expect many others, that he has the talent to be nearly as versatile as Tomlinson if he had the desire to work on the receiving and blocking skills.

Adept Havelock 04-22-2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman
The problem is that with LJ there's a feeling, at least for me, and I expect many others, that he has the talent to be nearly as versatile as Tomlinson if he had the desire to work on the receiving and blocking skills.


I'd agree with this. I wish he would put some serious effort into those parts of the game. If he wants to realize his ambition of being remembered as one of the greatest RB's of all time, he's going to have to. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

supercoupe91 04-22-2007 12:18 PM

Adrian Peterson > Larry Johnson

My penis > your penis

OctoberFart 04-22-2007 01:33 PM

I would like LJ to remain a queef for the following reasons...

First he will cost a ton and can get injured on one play and hurt chefs capwise.

Two his talents as the second best or best rb (chef homers) will go to waste over next few years as Chiefs search for a qb and are rebuilding.

Third he is considered cancer by unknown teamates which helps hurt team chemistry. By the way one player said he would rather retire than block for LJ and Shields did retire if there is any connection who knows.

Iowanian 04-22-2007 02:27 PM

Did you actually TALK to ANYONE in the Chiefs organization, or calf-jack from your arse?


Its really unfortunate that LJ doens't put the same force and effort into Pass blocking as he does "Rod Smithing" his girlfriend with a pistol handle.

Iowanian 04-22-2007 02:27 PM

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Hammock Parties 04-22-2007 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John
This is one of the worst articles I can remember ever reading. "The LJ trade rumors are false because I want them to be. Let me explain why..."

I hardly think that's my line of reasoning at all.

Hammock Parties 04-22-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian
Its really unfortunate that LJ doens't put the same force and effort into Pass blocking as he does "Rod Smithing" his girlfriend with a pistol handle.

What a complete and utter joke this post is.

Iowanian 04-22-2007 04:34 PM

So you're going to suggest that #27 is a good pass blocker?

Did you even ASK a single person in the Chiefs organization if there was any hint of truth to the rumor?

No...you pulled this article out of your dickholster.

Hammock Parties 04-22-2007 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian
So you're going to suggest that #27 is a good pass blocker?

Nope. That's not why your post is reeruned.

Quote:

Did you even ASK a single person in the Chiefs organization if there was any hint of truth to the rumor?
Why would I do that? To get a canned PC answer?

Iowanian 04-22-2007 04:52 PM

So...you're writing an article, from an uninformed position. You have no more clue than anyone as to the possibility of this being true or false.

Yeah Warpaint! Sign me up for that premium membership, insider info Right now!

Hammock Parties 04-22-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian
So...you're writing an article, from an uninformed position. You have no more clue than anyone as to the possibility of this being true or false.

Definitely. It's an OPINION COLUMN. HELLO, MCFLY?

supercoupe91 04-22-2007 06:34 PM

Larry Johnson sitting with arms crossed, not giving a shit as we get rocked by the Colts in the playoffs.

Get him outta here.

Mile High Mania 04-22-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I hardly think ...

You could have stopped there.

Demonpenz 04-22-2007 07:39 PM

the reason lj has been working so hard on the weights is to look extra ripped for his rap cd.


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