:rolleyes:

It is true, the top teams have everything to lose and not much to gain.

I don't know if I believe that. Snyder never scheduled far in advance and that bit him in the ass when trying to find premier opponents.

Now we have Auburn, Louisville, Miami, UCLA and Virginia Tech coming up...good lord, i'd feel fortunate to win any of those games.

Because of their soft-as-a-cloud schedule, KU could go undefeated and not finish even in the top 5 nationally...and, somehow, the BCS will continue to forever flourish!

52-7 Hmm?

LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) -- Todd Reesing threw four touchdown passes in his debut as Kansas quarterback Saturday night and six different Jayhawks scored touchdowns in a 52-7 rout of defending Mid-American champion Central Michigan.

Reesing, a sophomore who beat out incumbent Kerry Meier after appearing in only three games last year, was 20 of 29 for 261 yards and no interceptions as the Jayhawks rolled up 538 total yards.

Brandon McAnderson, a senior who'd never carried for more than 41 yards in a game, had 110 yards on 16 carries and Jake Sharp rushed for 106 yards, including a 3-yard touchdown.

Raimond Pendleton scored two TDs, the first on a 77-yard punt return that put Kansas on top 28-0.

Central Michigan's Dan LeFevour, who threw for 3,031 yards and 26 touchdowns last year, never got untracked against a Kansas team which looked vastly improved from the unit that ranked 119th in pass defense last year. By the time two-way star Aqib Talib beat double coverage and hauled in Reesing's 49-yard touchdown pass to make it 35-0 with 3:07 left in the first half, the Jayhawks had outgained the Chippewas 333 yards to 139.

LeFevour finished 19 of 37 for 172 yards and one TD.

It was a tough debut for Central Michigan head coach Butch Jones, who replaced Brian Kelly and took over a team that returns 15 starters after going 10-4 and winning the Motor City Bowl.

The Jayhawks were leading 45-0 by the time LeFevour connected with Bryan Anderson with a 16-yard touchdown pass a couple of minutes into the fourth quarter.

Reesing found Derek Fine with a 3-yard pass on Kansas' second possession, then a few minutes later, freshman Dezmon Briscoe caught a 16-yard scoring pass for his first reception. Marcus Henry beat Kirkston Edwards on a 46-yard scoring pass play to make it 21-0 with 6:38 left in the first half, then 30 seconds later Pendleton crossed the goalline untouched with his punt return. Pendleton made it 52-7 when he caught a 21-yard touchdown pass from Meier with 10:10 left in the game.

The Big 12 champions no matter who they are get a shit ton of respect.

No worries though, we won't have to worry about anything in this post happening.

Ha ha ha ha ha..... ROFL

I will just be happy if the Jayhawks can go on the road and win some games. Coach M's record away from Memorial has been awful. If we can do that then we have grown as a program.

I'm not making any guarantees about anything, just expressing how happy I am that finally we thoroughly crushed a have-not in the non-con. If we put up that kind of performance consistently we'll have some confidence for the conference season and just maybe steal a couple games that in years past we lose.

I liked what I saw out of K-STate last night. I think Prince has ya'll on the right track, which pisses me off. That or Auburn is WAY overrated.

I counted 16 Jr. and Sr,'s on K-State's roster of 22 starters. (I didn't count redshirt Sophs) So these are Snyder's players. The jury is still out on Prince.

I'm sorry, did I miss Snyder on the sidelines last nihgt? You really are an unbelievable K-State hater...you can never admit that KSU might do something positive

I couldn't beleive what i heard coming outta Lawrence...I figured KU would win a close battle of possibly lose a close battle. 52 points is impressive no matter who the opponent.

I'm not a hater. Just stating fact. K-State has had numerous football coaches. None of them could recruit to Manhattan except Snyder. I haven't seen any reasons to think Prince can.

your response had nothing to do with recruiting...Djay commented that Prince may have us on the right track...you replied with the inferrence that it was Snyder's players not Princes. Not that it matters, since I'm sure you used to bash Snyder's teams as well.

No, Snyder is the ONLY real coach you have ever had. Why does it piss you off that I state fact? Are you afraid I'm right? History suggests I am.

ROFL Ever hear anybody say?

"I like KU football and Kstate basketball"

Prince is still new enough I don't think it's fair to judge him. He has definitely had some issues on management style based on some things publicized and that I've heard from inside, but it may not be all bad.

He definitely has convinced our team that they can hang with anyone if they play well. He definitely has a mentality and style on many things nearly 180 degrees from the norm at KSU under Snyder. That has ruffled a lot of feathers.

Snyder's predecessors were all before my time, and there's no doubt that there were quite a few shitty coaches in the bunch. Not that that's unique to KSU.

BTW, Snyder WAS a great coach, but I don't think a Snyder coached team plays as well as we did last night if Snyder was still coach.

How many of the juniors and seniors on the K-State roster are Junior College transfers that Prince recruited, though? I have no idea what the answer is, but they were talking up that issue quite a bit during the game last night... that Prince was finding gems from Jr. Colleges like Synder always did.

K-State looked tough last night. Say what you will about KU beating up on an also-ran from the MAC, K-State took a team ranked in the teens on the brink.

I guess KU's fifth game and first real game is KSU, so we'll see who comes out on top

when will the big 12 get a better television contract so i can watch KU Football on TV instead of listening on the radio

hopefully a lot of things improve now that Weiberg is gone.

Not very likely for KU. The AD wants butts in the seats. Not a bad crowd 46,000+ last night when the temps are 90 degrees at game time and many of the out-of-town students are home on holiday break.

So far I have been way off. Kansas is better than I thought they'd be. No close games, all blow outs thus far. I understand that they have not played any difficult competition yet, but we are looking good.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxsco...82305&confId=4

Kansas 45
Toledo 13..and that is including a late meaningless TD from Toledo with all the hacks in

If KU can squeek out a win at K-State, it is very possible that KU will be 7-0 going into the A&M game.

Rock Chalk

The Big 12 TV situation got a bit better already, due to the programming hole left by the Big 10.

Of course, at the rate the Big 12 moves, they might have their own network by 2015.

Yeah, KU is looking better than anyone thought. I still say KU may lose at Texas A&M, but predicting a 93-10 loss was moronic. Also, do you still see KU losing to the Cornhuskers? :) I still think KU wins that one.

Let's not get carried away. The offense gave up a bunch of sacks last night, Todd Reesing's completion percentage was atrocious, and the receivers had the dropsies come back in full force.

We're going to have to play a hell of a lot better than we did last night if we want to win in Manhattan, no matter how bad KSU may be.

Last I checked, the Cornhuskers don't play in Manhattan, KS.

Gee, really? Obviously, the two statements weren't related.

The first true benchmark of the season will happen in Manhattan, and if the Hawks play like they did last night, that one will be a struggle. As bad as they may be, KSU is still better than Toledo, and Mangino's road record is absolutely atrocious. Without being able to win that game, nothing else the rest of the season is certain, IMO. Certainly not Nebraska.

I'm sorry, but what indicators do you have that KSU is bad? I think the KSU-KU will be a good game, but believe KSU will win by 7-14.

Kansas is currently has the #1 scoring defense in the country, the #4 scoring offense in the country, and is #1 in SCORING MARGIN by a landslide. K-State is in for a let down after a big win.

KU 27
K-State 14

dude we will go undefeated and win the north and hopefully have gotten some national attention for a real bowl game

haha, you never know. Every game in is winnable. I still think 9-3 is a good possibility with having a shot at 10-2. KU just needs to prove that they can win road games, and not piss it down their leg in the last few minutes on the road.

ya I'm looking forward to seeing how this season pans out now that we will face some real competition

I am interested to see how KU's pass defense will hold up. Last year we were dead last in pass defense. This year we are 3rd in the country. I know we have been playing patsies but that is already an improvement regardless of who you are playing.

This game will either shut me up or get me ranting even more about the hawks.

well we have one of the best CBs in the nation Agib Talib (sp??) he has all-american written all over him

lol

Don't you love how the true fans don't even know how to spell a guy's name?

It's an honest mistake. Afterall, the guy has "all-american" written all over him instead of his name.

K-State is 22nd in the nation in pass defense, 11th in rushing defense, and 13th in overall defense.

Plus we've played teams with a pulse.

I think if you guys come out of Manhattan with a win, you'll have every right to boast. Right now you are paper tigers.

Mangino reminds me a lot of Terry Allen.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/1002...04571424.shtml

WR Deon Murphy regarding Prince's sideline dance:

Me too. Their winning % is about the same.

Mangino in New York.

http://xenafan.com/movies/ghostbusters/crowd.jpg

Fixed your post.

I think it is impossible for anyone to say how good KU is or isn't. They've played nobody and pounded them like they should have if they are any kind of BCS team.

I hope they do well this year, but I really hope that this weekend is one of the losses in this whole KU dream 10-2 season. If I where a KU fan I'd be happy to have a winning record in the Big 12 for the first time under Mangino. Or for starters get a road win in the Big 12 which has eluded them for the past five years.

10-2 would be a huge jump for KU and I'm not sure how or why they would all of a sudden expect that to happen (other than the patty cake schedule), but if it does I say congrats on a huge turnaround in one year. That would be unprecedented after five plus years of Big 12 losing, but after looking at the schedule it could happen without them being hardly any better than they have been in the past when they where consistent losers. If this was college basketball the KU RPI would be at the bottom of the entire BCS. If they go 10-2 we still might not know how good or bad they are until the Big 12 Championship Game.

WTF are you talking about, dumbshit?

KU has won 2 league road games in Manginos tenure.

(lol)

I don't know if UT is really that down, but it looks like the Big12 North can at least claim some respectability.

Colorado looks better than expected. NU won by 1 at home to Ball St after a missed FG at the end of the game.

KU has played an easy schedule and the hope is that they have put those teams away just like good teams do.

I think the K-state game may be KU's toughest this season for KU.

By the way- anyone notice that KU is till getting more votes for the coaches top 25 than KSU. KU would be 28 (48 votes) KSU 31 (33 votes).

A moral ranking? LMAO

I think KSU actually cracked the top 25 in the AP.

I know KSU cracked the top 25 in the AP. They deserve it after their play at UT.

It's not a moral victory. The game will be played on Saturday. I just thought it was an interesting point to raise.

Do you give the AP or coaches poll more credibility, and why?

I don't think either poll has more credibility than the other, they are just polls.

One point that is brought up w/ the coaches poll is that coaches are usually coaching games on Saturdays, not watching other teams play. Lots of conference bias, usually.

Look at all the other polls and you will see KSU is ranked higher than KU in all cases except the Coaches. (harris, master coach, sagarin, etc.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

I stand corrected.....they are 2-19. I always mix up whether they've never won a road game or finished with a winning record. Regardless though it was my bad, and I should research stats a little better. When it gets to degrees of bad it gets kind of muddled up in my head.

As far as polls go I think they are all a joke, which is why we need a playoff system in college football. When you look at them they don't make any sense at all sometimes, and unfortunately this is what decides who finishes where. Polls are just another degrees of bad thing.

Cocina, you got me wrong. I said moral ranking. (We're ranked 28th!!).

How generous to credit K-State for being tougher then the likes of Central Michigan and SE Louisiana.

Polls are extremely worthless until week 6 or 7 of the season. At that point, it's a little more obvious what a team has/does not have.

not sure if it's been said in the middle pages of this topic, but this game really comes down to KU's O-Line VS KSU's D-Line. If KStates DLine is able to bring constant pressure and abuse QB's like they have so far this year, then we're in trouble.

This game should be a classic!

FWIW, K-State's next game will be on ESPN 2 at 8:00 aganist Colorado.

KU is going to get drilled like a hot chick on prom night.

Is there no KU p**y who will stand up and defend the Gheyhawks football honor?

KU Football Fan < Sandy Eggo fan

This place is boring I'm going over to Phog.net and get banned. :) :)

Check the game threads from last year. A few KU football fans will chime in before the game but for the most part they will hide until they win. If they win, expect the basketball only fans to show up in full force.

What makes you think KU football players are gay?

Great stuff! HEH! Can you do one referencing the b-ball team? I want to use it as my avi this fall.

Seriously?


The reason that KU fans won't keep droning on about the subject is because neither MU or KSU has anything to hold over them.

If KSU wins on Saturday, I'll say it was a great job. You're ranked and should beat KU.
If you lose- KU only looks that much better and you've one again got nothing to talk shit about a school that has more tradition and prestige than both schools combined.

Really, it's just wasted breath. I've seen KU in person once this season, and followed the rest of the games. If they win, great job for Mangino. If not- it's not the end of the world.


As for the picture above- it was meant as a joke to start with, by a couple of very good LB's. Banks Floodman, Kevin Kane and Nick Reid made up a pretty damn good LB core, but whatever.

Don't mind these K-Staters, they're just scurred.

More tradition and prestige than both KSU and MU in football?

Are you serious?

Well said, Cocina_Basement.

Yeah, KU fans could get into the shit talking with the opposing fans. But what is the point? Sure, our team has looked very good so far. Sure, they beat up on easy opponents, but isn't that what good teams do? Yes, the defense looks much improved and we have an All American candidate at CB. Moving Rivera to the outside and putting Mortensen at MLB seems to have been a great move. I am optimistic that we finally have a good QB in Reesing. A quality QB is something that we've been missing for most of the Mangino era (yes we had Whittemore, but he was only around for a season, IIRC). He makes very smart decisions. He throws the ball away when there is nobody open. Plus, we have a nice group of receivers. Ed Warinner is doing a fantastic job as the new OC.

All of this looks great, but the Jayhawks still have some things to prove. Obviously, Mangino needs to prove he can win on the road, especially in the B12. However, I look at the game at ISU last year and it gives me a little hope. Reesing came in at QB in that game and helped them pull out a win. A game that they probably would have lost without a good QB. IMO, this team is probably Mangino's most talented in his tenure at KU. I maintain that this team should win no less than 8 games. The way they have looked, they may even win more. Starting this Saturday, we'll get a better idea of what kind of team we have.

Yeah, let's just forget everything that happened before the 90s. KSU football didn't start before Bill Snyder got there. Right?
:rolleyes:

It's debatable. But come on, Missouri?

Did you know Reesing only has 13 pass attempts on the road? :)

Well, it did take awhile for Mangino to realize that Meier may not be the future at the QB position. As I recall, Reesing didn't start getting playing time until the last 2 or 3 games of the season last year. And all the games this year have been at home.

Edit: looking at the box score, I guess Meier did have the majority of snaps at ISU last year. I still think Reesing is better. I guess we'll see as the season progresses.

Honestly, I have no idea about Mizzou football history. But you gotta admit, KU has some rich history in football, despite the fact that the program hasn't been great since the late 60s.

It's obvious Reesing is better than Meier. Alot of people knew that before the season last year.

Why do any of us have to defend it? You're just another typical insecure KStater who feels the need to talk a bunch of sh*t before a big game. Yeah, in the 90's and early part of this decade, you used to blow us out of the water. Now both teams have pretty similar talent and the games have balanced out. This game goes either way, but don't be shocked if KU blows your A$$ out of the water. It would great to watch all you purple wearing pu$$y's walking out of the stadium at the end of the 3rd quarter, but I don't think that's going to happen. It's going to be a great game, probably the best one the two teams have had in a really long time.

That's the one thing I really hate about being a KU fan. There are so many damn bandwagon Jayhawk fans that only come around when we're doing well. And on top of that, they generally are just basketball fans.

You're right though, these fans only pay attention to football when we win a big game or beat a rival. Then they talk sh*t for about a week and disappear again.

It's sad though, because a lot of these people can't even see that a lot of good things are going on with KU's football program.

Oh yeah no doubt about it, but people only seem to remember the last decade or so. It is no different than K-State basketball. People forget about the great years because they've been bad for the last decade.

Personally I think you only go so far on tradition. KU has been bad at football for a long time. Just like K-State with basketball. When you've been bad at a sport for over a decade that's what people see and eventually you are what you are. Most of the people that go to K-State currently weren't even born or where so young they don't remember the last time they did anything meaningful in basketball. Last year was the first time in almost twenty years they've done anything and it wasn't much, but it was a start. I think both fan bases are ready to explode and embrace their down sport. Look at the support K-State recieved after just one year. That was a perfect storm type thing with Huggins and the kids he lined up for the program. Eighteen months ago we where stuck in the Woolridge rut and now most Wildcat fans can't wait for basketball to start.

I hope KU can get something going with their football team. It would make the rivalry an even better one if this game meant something like it does this year. I can't remember the last time these two teams actually met with a legit shot at winning the North. It has been one sided up until the last few years and K-State is down a little bit right now. I don't want these games to be close because they are both mediocre. I want them to both be legit Big 12 North contenders. Kind of like basketball this year. There will be so much anticipation for these two teams to butt heads this year there will be somebody posting an official game thread a week before the game.

What is KU's all time record vs KSU in football? Anybody know?

63-36-5 KU holds the all time series lead... pretty handily, unless Snyder comes back from the grave[COLOR=red]