Originally Posted by Duck Dog

I think it's all the talk about wanting to be taken seriously and being accepted by main stream society as being 'just like everyone else'.

Actually shit like this leads me to believe their life style is by choice.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Because the in your face way they are going about it is not servign them well them well. It creates more issues than it solves for them.

For the record I could give a rats ass what they do I just don't think the way they are going about it will eventually lead to a backlash.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Agreed



This is a lot about nothing as I already said I think you know better.



It's common knowledge that they have been trying to push their way into many churches and pastors have lost their jobs over it. The fact that you don't acknowledge that speaks volumes.

Marriage is a religious ceremony which changes the way we look at a couple from a legal standpoint. There needs to be a seperation of church and state here where a civil union is honored as the same thing under the eyes of our government. To say no to that and force the religious ceremony of marriage to be accepted by the church is wrong IMO and creates more problems than is solves for the gay community.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't speak out against such and event either. The parade and the exposure to the kids that is.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that most homosexuals don't view the people at this event as representative of the entire group. Although, I can certainly understand the tendency to over-generalize as that is the primary MO of CP.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that most homosexuals don't view the people at this event as representative of the entire group. Although, I can certainly understand the tendency to over-generalize as that is the primary MO of CP.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It only creates issues with those that want to create issues and those that are going to take offense no matter what.

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Of course they aren't.

It is easy to take these fringe groups and paints them representing the whole.

Originally Posted by Iowanian

make the unfortunate mistake of a google image search on that "festival" and you'll accidenly see photos of Dudes BuFuing on main street. Anyone who takes a kid to that place should have them removed by DHS.


I'm sure Zach will photograph it in unique and artistic light, using the proper F stop, and angle to capture the moment for the next art s how.

Originally Posted by Duck Dog

I think it's all the talk about wanting to be taken seriously and being accepted by main stream society as being 'just like everyone else'.

Actually shit like this leads me to believe their life style is by choice.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I'm sure he would have a great time.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Who has done that here?

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Isn't it obvious? Duck Dog.

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Isn't it obvious? Duck Dog.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That whole not-comprehending the written word thing is sooooo Big Daddy.


:)

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That whole not-comprehending the written word thing is sooooo Zach.


:)

Originally Posted by Laz

that might be the stupidest thing i've ever heard.



ROFL ROFL ROFL

Originally Posted by Skoal_Chief

I am not a Miller drinker, but I have officially boycotted the beer for life after reading this thread. Thanks for giving me a reason not to buy that piss.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hopefully you'll boycott Coors too.

http://www.corporations.org/coors/article.html

"The Coors family has always had strong ties to neo-Nazis. Adolph Coors allowed KKK meetings and cross-burnings on brewery property in Colorado. In 1984, Bill Coors fought against passage of the Civil Rights Act, telling an audience of black businessmen that blacks don't succeed because they "lack intellectual capacity." After encouraging them to go back to Africa, he said that one of the best things slave-drivers did to American blacks "was to drag your ancestors over here in chains" because blacks in America have greater opportunity than those in Africa."

Originally Posted by Skoal_Chief

I won't touch that Colorado poison. I stick to my guns. Missouri brewed Budweiser, Hamms and Olympia.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hopefully you'll boycott Coors too.

http://www.corporations.org/coors/article.html

"The Coors family has always had strong ties to neo-Nazis. Adolph Coors allowed KKK meetings and cross-burnings on brewery property in Colorado. In 1984, Bill Coors fought against passage of the Civil Rights Act, telling an audience of black businessmen that blacks don't succeed because they "lack intellectual capacity." After encouraging them to go back to Africa, he said that one of the best things slave-drivers did to American blacks "was to drag your ancestors over here in chains" because blacks in America have greater opportunity than those in Africa."

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I prefer Miller Lite over Bud Light or Coors Light. If we are talking free beer.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hopefully you'll boycott Coors too.

http://www.corporations.org/coors/article.html

"The Coors family has always had strong ties to neo-Nazis. Adolph Coors allowed KKK meetings and cross-burnings on brewery property in Colorado. In 1984, Bill Coors fought against passage of the Civil Rights Act, telling an audience of black businessmen that blacks don't succeed because they "lack intellectual capacity." After encouraging them to go back to Africa, he said that one of the best things slave-drivers did to American blacks "was to drag your ancestors over here in chains" because blacks in America have greater opportunity than those in Africa."

Originally Posted by underEJ

As someone who used to live in a loft on Folsom Street (sooo not a main street by the way,) I have seen the fair. Not nearly as shocking as I thought it would be, and very few children who were no where near anything worse than an average trip to the beach.

It's just not in a place where you might accidentally end up there. That part of Folsom Street is bars, clubs, and art lofts, mixed with rehab centers and homeless shelters, although some of it has gone condo, and you might see the fair naturally evolve to the tamer side of street fairs based on the changing neighborhood.

I have seen way more offensive things walking through SF's civic center up to city hall.

The bourbon street comparisons are pretty accurate as far as the amount of public shock goes. It really isn't worth all the outrage.

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Hilarious. It isn't a crazy opinion or anything. Its just exactly what BD asked for an example of.

Don't shoot the messanger.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=74

Originally Posted by Lzen

You are a homo.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

...and does not make me sympathize with their problems at all.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Hey if you can't address the subject just say so.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Because normally you are sensitive to the homosexual lifestyle??

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

:LOL: So pop a cold Miller Lite, Mr. Folsom-parade-dwelling-gay-sadomasochistic-street-orgy-partaker. It might wash that taste out of your mouth.


Q: A gay couple are in a house having buht sex when the house catches on fire. Which one makes it out, the one on top or the one on bottom?

A: The one on bottom, he already had his chit packed. ;)

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I did, but apparently you didn't comprehend. I said, "...I mean, if I lived there, I would probably be upset, but I don't..." Does that not "address the subject" enough for you? Can you provide a rubric or something?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

This is where what I post gets ignored.

Let me put it this way. I live just south of SF and am right in the middle of all this. I have also hired hundreds of homosexuals when running health clubs out here. That means I have a lot of exposure and an interest in seeing some of this resolved. I wouldn't call myself sensitive but I would say I am sympathetic to some of their issues. I do support same sex unions for example and I think they should have all the same rights under the law. I do think their fringe goes way too far though and the double standards being accepted is not OK. That would apply to transsexuals as well.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I comprehended how you wanted to bypass and not address the freakshow because it wasn't at your front door step just fine.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Pitt Gorilla,

I also comprehended your ability to switch from that to personal attacks instead of addressing the inappopriateness of the parade just fine as well. That is sooooo pit gorilla but don't let the fact that I pointed it out slow you down though big guy.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

My BD post was a joke (playing off of your post), BD. I thought the smilie might have indicated that. I honestly had no idea that it would get your panties in such a bunch. I apologize and condemn every homosexual parade from now on!

Originally Posted by Carlota69

I love Big Daddy...Having said that...yes, their fringe goes wayyy to far, but the Christians have a fraction of their group that goes too far as well. In fact, any group, whether it be social or religious has a fringe that goes too far. Thats the way of the world.

I di stumble on this fair many years back, and although I was in no hurry to stay...I didnt see sex acts in the street or children running around. I saw alotof bondage stuff, crap for sell etc...but no sex or children. this article, based on my experience with the fair, is very exagerrate and meant to piss off their target reader.

Originally Posted by Carlota69

I love Big Daddy...Having said that...yes, their fringe goes wayyy to far, but the Christians have a fraction of their group that goes too far as well. In fact, any group, whether it be social or religious has a fringe that goes too far. Thats the way of the world.

I di stumble on this fair many years back, and although I was in no hurry to stay...I didnt see sex acts in the street or children running around. I saw alotof bondage stuff, crap for sell etc...but no sex or children. this article, based on my experience with the fair, is very exagerrate and meant to piss off their target reader.

Originally Posted by kepp

"Here's to you Mr. Folsom-parade-dwelling-gay-sadomasochistic-street-orgy-partaker."

Originally Posted by Cochise

Shut up and celebrate diversity.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

I love diversity. However, I'm a bit lost on the genuine novelty of being gay. I don't know everything, but I do know that the human body has an orifice used for depositing waste, but some people use it as a vagina. Sorry, I just don't get it. I guess I'm a caveman.

Originally Posted by Duck Dog

I think it's all the talk about wanting to be taken seriously and being accepted by main stream society as being 'just like everyone else'.

Actually shit like this leads me to believe their life style is by choice.

Originally Posted by Rain Man

These street orgies...do they only involve men, or is there lesbian stuff going on, too? That affects my opinion.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Yes, "heaven" forbid people live their lifestyle by their choice. The irony is that your intolerance makes me intolerant of you. I don't condone "street orgies" or what-have-you, but let private lives be private lives.
The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of homosexuals are different from heterosexuals only in sexual preference. People taking it upon themselves to try and control the behavior and hating them for it, whether that behavior is a choice or an instinct, is wrong.

Originally Posted by SportsRacer

All gayness aside, how anybody can trust the blatantly slanted "reporting" of LifeSite.net or any one of those "family" (read: right-wing fundamentalist nutjob) websites is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Duck Dog

You are an idiot for taking the time to write that. Maybe you quoted the wrong person, I don't know and don't care, your post is idiotic just the same.

This isn't about what people do behind closed doors, I am on record as stating I don't care what people do to each other (in private) as long as both consent. This is a public issue, not a private one.

Last, I could care less what the freaks of SF do publicly. It doesn't affect me one iota. If gays want the public to see them in this light, that's their prerogative.

Oh, and have fun at the parade.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

yet you felt compelled to justify people making a big deal out of this even despite its 0 impact on them. Suspicious, that.

Originally Posted by Duck Dog

If SF gays want to be perceived like this, that's their business. Seems a little counter productive to me. That's been my point this whole time. Being offended by me and a few others makes you look like your speaking from the closet.

Suspicious, that.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

:rolleyes: You definitely have to drop that habit of quoting and implying contexts that don't exist. If I were you here, I would post something along the lines of "Duck dog says protecting human freedom of choice makes you gay."

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How many Planeteers did you spot??

Originally Posted by jAZ

Bill Donohue is a wingnut, and shows his screwed up priorities by bitching about the mock-christian scene, rather than the public sex show that's open to children... but I'd completely agree that such a show should be more than boycotted, but people should be prosecuted for the public sex acts and the place should be closed to anyone under 18.

Originally Posted by Carlota69

I didnt see sex acts in the street or children running around. I saw alotof bondage stuff, crap for sell etc...but no sex or children.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It is a big exaggeration and I don't think that serves the people that do that well either. I have seen kids though.

Originally Posted by [URL=http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/004352.html

Golden Gate Xpress[/URL]]
Folsom Street Fair Not For ChildrenParents have mixed feelings about bringing their children to this year's bondage fest

by Poh Si Teng, Special to [X]Press SEPTEMBER 29, 2005 2:32 PM
Some of the most unlikely attendees of Sunday?s kinky leather fetish festival were under four feet tall.Two-year-olds Zola and Veronica Kruschel waddled through Folsom Street Fair amidst strangers in fishnets and leather crotch pouches, semi and fully nude men.The twin girls who were also dressed for the event wore identical lace blouses, floral bonnets and black leather collars purchased from a pet store.Fathers Gary Beuschel and John Kruse watched over them closely. They were proud to show the twins off.?They will see more than the kids with moms and dads in Iowa,? said Beuschel, who wanted to expose his children to San Francisco?s diverse community. ?Every parent has to decide for themselves what is right for them. And I respect that. And we decided that this is right for our children.?Beuschel and his girls were at the 22nd Folsom Street Fair, an annual leather event in San Francisco?s South of Market district, which showcased outrageous costumes, fetish attire, and a community obsessed with bondage, whipping, and spanking.Every year unsuspecting tourists and families stroll into the Folsom Street Fair. Some turn away at the gates after being warned by security officials about the event?s graphic sadomasochistic nature, while others saunter in with baby strollers and young children. Event organizers said that parents are responsible in determining whether the fair was suitable for kids. However, some people said children should not be allowed inside.?I don?t think that a 6-year-old can understand that S&M is about trust,? said Quincey Justman, a 28-year-old graduate student from the University of California San Francisco. ?Showing a kid a bunch of adults hitting each other would be damaging.?As for Dylan Middlebrooks, it was his sixth year at the leather fair. He is 10 years old.?It?s pretty nasty because a lot of people here are naked,? said Middlebrooks, who was there with his mother. Organizers said that they gave families ample warning.?We do our best ? that these people know that this is an adult-natured event,? said Darryl Flick, executive director of Folsom Street Events. ?I?ve seen a thousand dotting aunts and uncles, and a kid having the time of his life.?Security volunteer Adam Hawkins said it is up to the parents to decide what was best for their kids, and that he wouldn?t stop them at the gates.Some fairgoers said that it was inappropriate to have children at the event.?Why do (these people) bring kids here? This is a leather fair for god?s sake,? said Bahran Aliassa, who was masturbating in public. He has been doing it annually for the past six years.Oakland resident Veronica Charles, 36, was with a baby stroller and said her son was too young to understand. ?I don?t think I?ll bring him here when he is 6,? Charles said.Police officer Mark Lantrip said that families could choose not to come.Father of two, John Kruse said it is an educational experience for children. He said there were conservative parents against having kids at the event.?Those are the same close-minded people who think we shouldn?t have children to begin with,? he said.» E-mail Poh Si Teng @ pohsi_teng@

Originally Posted by DenverChief

The most ironic thing about this is it sounds exactly like Mardi Gras except with a gay flair...anyone who has ever been to Mardi Gras knows the kinds of HETEROSEXUAL sex acts that are "allowed" there.....

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Here's the poster...
Kinda like the renaissance festival...
with vasoline.

Originally Posted by StcChief

SF = Saddam
NO = gomorrah

Originally Posted by Bowser

I think what really pisses off the fundamentalists is that it suggests Jesus was black, surrounded by gay men. And with women present. WOMEN SHOULD KNOW THEIR ROLE!!