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cadmonkey 02-28-2008 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4604783)
Did you pay any attention to how your team was built?
With guys in the later rounds of the draft and through free angency.....also with first round DLinemen.

RedThat 02-28-2008 09:14 AM
I'd be happy if the Chiefs took Gholston?

I think they have a great chance to get him. Another passrusher wouldn't hurt? I think he is the best passrusher in this draft without a doubt.

In fact, Id be happy with either Ellis, Jake Long, or Gholston? I think those 3 guys are all going to be solid players in the NFL.

I look at Gholston as more of a 3-4 type player, but I don't think that means we shouldn't draft him or take a look at him if he is there at #5?

I think with a guy like him, your defense can do so many things. You can blitz him off the edge, place him as a falcon DE on passing downs...Move Hali to the inside...Or possibly have Gholston, Allen, Hali as your passrushers on 3rd down?

He can play linebacker..And it's not like the Chiefs can't upgrade there? I was very disappointed in Napolen Harris this year. In fact, I think Donnie Edwards should be playing the middle, keep Johnson on the outside, and if you draft a guy like gholston he can play on the outside too.

htismaqe 02-28-2008 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 4605808)
????????????????
Did your period key and question mark key get switched? ROFL

RedThat 02-28-2008 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4605830)
Did your period key and question mark key get switched? ROFL
Too excited to post about this stuff. A different form of expression:D

El Jefe 02-28-2008 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4605294)
Dude, was he playing on the line? NO, he was in COVERAGE. He played BOTH LBer AND DE at Ohio State.
I have read a lot of your posts on Vernon and definetely agree with you. He is a beast, and for NJChief or whoever keeps pointing out he got pancaked by a WR, what good player hasn't been de-cleated (see Roidman and Maurice Jones Drew, that was nasty). Gholston is an animal he is relentless. The thing also is Gholston has ran in the high 4.4's and I believe at OSU's pro-day you are going to see some low numbers in the 40. The guy got 37reps on the bench, he tied Jake Long, and Vernon was disappointed because he though he would get at least 40. I would mess my pants if we got him, that would be awesome. Jim Heacock (D Coordinator at tOSU) said he was one of the best athletes he has ever seen at Ohio State, and that is saying a lot. Anyway I would be thrilled if we got him, but if we don't I hope we land someone else who will make a big impact.

Chiefnj2 02-28-2008 11:55 AM
Gholston is a great athlete, too bad he's not a great football player.

El Jefe 02-28-2008 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4606035)
Gholston is a great athlete, too bad he's not a great football player.
Stats, and video tape don't lie. You don't like him and that's apparent, on the other hand that is your opinion, and you know what they say about those.

Brock 02-28-2008 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4606035)
Gholston is a great athlete, too bad he's not a great football player.
:eek: Weird position.

El Jefe 02-28-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606097)
:eek: Weird position.
Ditto

Chiefnj2 02-28-2008 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606097)
:eek: Weird position.
He's gotten by on his physical prowess. He's a great athlete. But he's very raw - he only started 25 games. Plus, we all know OSU doesn't have the toughest schedule. He had a good game against Jake Long but was invisible in the national championship; on some plays it looks like he quit.

His first year he'd be a situational pass rusher. With the right coaching and system and his natural ability he could develop into a great football player, I just don't happen to think that he is one yet and there is a risk he never will be. I'm reminded a little bit of Boss Bailey - phenomenal athlete, room to grow, he just never did.

El Jefe 02-28-2008 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4606198)
He's gotten by on his physical prowess. He's a great athlete. But he's very raw - he only started 25 games. Plus, we all know OSU doesn't have the toughest schedule. He had a good game against Jake Long but was invisible in the national championship; on some plays it looks like he quit.

His first year he'd be a situational pass rusher. With the right coaching and system and his natural ability he could develop into a great football player, I just don't happen to think that he is one yet and there is a risk he never will be. I'm reminded a little bit of Boss Bailey - phenomenal athlete, room to grow, he just never did.
I don't agree with you but you do have some points that are valid.

BigChiefFan 02-28-2008 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 4605982)
I have read a lot of your posts on Vernon and definetely agree with you. He is a beast, and for NJChief or whoever keeps pointing out he got pancaked by a WR, what good player hasn't been de-cleated (see Roidman and Maurice Jones Drew, that was nasty). Gholston is an animal he is relentless. The thing also is Gholston has ran in the high 4.4's and I believe at OSU's pro-day you are going to see some low numbers in the 40. The guy got 37reps on the bench, he tied Jake Long, and Vernon was disappointed because he though he would get at least 40. I would mess my pants if we got him, that would be awesome. Jim Heacock (D Coordinator at tOSU) said he was one of the best athletes he has ever seen at Ohio State, and that is saying a lot. Anyway I would be thrilled if we got him, but if we don't I hope we land someone else who will make a big impact.

I have to say thank you for the kind words-I really appreciate it. Flattery will get you everywhere.:D

Good take on Gholston. The guy really is a beast, who is going to command double teams. I don't know why some de-value someone with so much physical prowess.

htismaqe 02-28-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4606198)
He's gotten by on his physical prowess. He's a great athlete. But he's very raw - he only started 25 games. Plus, we all know OSU doesn't have the toughest schedule. He had a good game against Jake Long but was invisible in the national championship; on some plays it looks like he quit.

His first year he'd be a situational pass rusher. With the right coaching and system and his natural ability he could develop into a great football player, I just don't happen to think that he is one yet and there is a risk he never will be. I'm reminded a little bit of Boss Bailey - phenomenal athlete, room to grow, he just never did.
Didn't play the toughest competition? Gimme a break, dude.

OSU, during the time Gholston was a starter, played a top 5 team AT LEAST FOUR TIMES. I may go out and actually count them because that statement is absolutely absurd.

OnTheWarpath15 02-28-2008 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4606471)
Didn't play the toughest competition? Gimme a break, dude.

OSU, during the time Gholston was a starter, played a top 5 team AT LEAST FOUR TIMES. I may go out and actually count them because that statement is absolutely absurd.
Don't forget about him squaring off with the Highlander, the greatest OL prospect EVAH......

htismaqe 02-28-2008 03:30 PM
Off the top of my head, I know they played Texas when they were top 5. They might have even played Texas twice. Obviously they got the BCS NC against Florida and LSU. They played Michigan when they were #2. So that's 4.

Chiefnj2 02-28-2008 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4606513)
Off the top of my head, I know they played Texas when they were top 5. They might have even played Texas twice. Obviously they got the BCS NC against Florida and LSU. They played Michigan when they were #2. So that's 4.
This past year when he put up his big numbers they played Youngstown, Akron, Kent State and the 1-11 Golden Gophers. I'll save you some time, they weren't ranked.

htismaqe 02-28-2008 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4606523)
This past year when he put up his big numbers they played Youngstown, Akron, Kent State and the 1-11 Golden Gophers. I'll save you some time, they weren't ranked.
He started 25 games, and put up very good numbers last year too.

By the way, this past year when he put up his big numbers, they finished 54th in SoS, despite playing those 4 teams you listed...

Halfcan 02-28-2008 06:15 PM
roid freak

Consistent1 02-28-2008 07:09 PM
Let me start by saying that I am a big advocate of players doing cycles. It is really so important in the NFL. Think about all the baseball players that have been caught, and think of the difference between that and football. It is indeed obvious that many, many guys use. That said, Gholston looks incredible in that picture on the first page of this thread. He will instantly be one of the best built guys in the league. I know he has sick genetics, and is fairly tall. That kind of lean mass on a person is way out of the ordinary though. Pretty much impossible to weigh that much and be that lean. He is way dry and vascular in the arms. He is not far off from being able to diet down a few pounds and be a NPC national super-heavyweight bodybuilder. That is one step away from Jay Cutler, Coleman, etc. The amount of shit those guys do is crazy. I would just hope he doesn't end up with injury problems. He does look fantastic though. Merriman is a joke physique wise compared to VG. I hope he does real well in the NFL. Let the flaming begin because I am always wrong about this stuff according to the members of this board.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2008 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4605409)
Gholston is another DeMarcus Ware, for anyone to justify that we couldn't use that or he'd sit behind Tamba Hali is pretty much a joke in my view.
No, Gholston is a guy who will probably lead the league in sacks multiple times.

CoMoChief 02-28-2008 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill S Preston (Post 4604807)
holy shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2008 07:18 PM
He looks like fucking Schwarzenegger in "Pumping Iron".

Rausch 02-28-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 4606888)
holy shit.
Indeed. Looks like a very unhappy man without enough fiber in his diet...

BigChiefFan 02-28-2008 07:21 PM
He eats Offensive tackles and absorbs their souls.

beach tribe 02-28-2008 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 4606877)
Let me start by saying that I am a big advocate of players doing cycles. It is really so important in the NFL. Think about all the baseball players that have been caught, and think of the difference between that and football. It is indeed obvious that many, many guys use. That said, Gholston looks incredible in that picture on the first page of this thread. He will instantly be one of the best built guys in the league. I know he has sick genetics, and is fairly tall. That kind of lean mass on a person is way out of the ordinary though. Pretty much impossible to weigh that much and be that lean. He is way dry and vascular in the arms. He is not far off from being able to diet down a few pounds and be a NPC national super-heavyweight bodybuilder. That is one step away from Jay Cutler, Coleman, etc. The amount of shit those guys do is crazy. I would just hope he doesn't end up with injury problems. He does look fantastic though. "roidman" Merriman is a joke physique wise compared to VG. I hope he does real well in the NFL. Let the flaming begin because I am always wrong about this stuff according to the members of this board.
Yes. He's huge.

Jay Cutler? Coleman? Please.

Rausch 02-28-2008 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4606896)
He eats Offensive tackles and absorbs their souls.
...

http://krlx.org/uploads/highlander-c...rt-9912090.jpg

beach tribe 02-28-2008 07:29 PM
Is that a picture of Jake long?

Consistent1 02-28-2008 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4606904)
Yes. He's huge.

Jay Cutler? Coleman? Please.
I said NPC national contender, which is not IFBB like those guys. He wouldn't even be a top NPC guy either, but he ain't far off. I know al ittle about this stuff. His muscle sepration, striations, etc, are pretty damn impressive. You can see his abs through the shirt in the picture. He looks well under 10% bodyfat there. His lean mass is pretty crazy in reality.

beach tribe 02-28-2008 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 4606921)
I said NPC national contender, which is not IFBB like those guys. He wouldn't even be a top NPC guy either, but he ain't far off. I know al ittle about this stuff. His muscle sepration, striations, etc, are pretty damn impressive. You can see his abs through the shirt in the picture. He looks well under 10% bodyfat there. His lean mass is pretty crazy in reality.
He's a genetic marvel.

But he's a long way from a R. Coleman. All I'm sayin.

Rausch 02-28-2008 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 4606921)
I said NPC national contender, which is not IFBB like those guys. He wouldn't even be a top NPC guy either, but he ain't far off. I know al ittle about this stuff. His muscle sepration, striations, etc, are pretty damn impressive. You can see his abs through the shirt in the picture. He looks well under 10% bodyfat there. His lean mass is pretty crazy in reality.
:spock:

I'm guessing you were on top since you survived to post this...

beach tribe 02-28-2008 07:38 PM
He's got bitch tits. Bob is that you?

Consistent1 02-28-2008 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4606922)
He's a genetic marvel.

But he's a long way from a R. Coleman. All I'm sayin.

I said that NPC national level is one step away from the pros. Is that correct? Yep. He could qualify for national level comps pretty quick. Jay and Ronnie are indeed shorter, but they did not look that good at his age. Ronnie is 40-sum years old, Jay is in his 30's now too. The build up happens over time. VG looks like he could easily become that, prolly more like Quincy Taylor due to being so tall. I like him, not trying to be negative. Very impressive.


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