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007 04-27-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4719271)
Honestly, I didn't like throwing picks for Albert. The trade in the 3rd, the 5th we sacrificed, we really needed for what are now turning out to be gargantuan holes in our pass rushing and offensive line.

I would have waited to #17 and taken Otah.

As far as our #35, I really like Flowers on the field, but we just traded a guy away because of drug abuse, and here we are drafting a guy who poses to be a drug dealer on Facebook, during Draft season.

We can find good Cover 2 corners later in the Draft, a 2nd was unnecessary. Especially when Groves and Hardy were still on the board.

JMO.

He would not have been there at 17. Philly was trading up to 16 had we not jumped.

Delano 04-27-2008 02:22 PM

Jeeze, you would think KC lost value in the trade with Detroit.

They lost the fifth rounder they got for Trent Green. BFD!

Direckshun 04-27-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 4720039)
Jeeze, you would think KC lost value in the trade with Detroit.

They lost the fifth rounder they got for Trent Green. BFD!

Hey if the guy is a franchise LT, I have no right to complain.

But just imagine if he turns out to be a guard. Pro Guard or not, I don't know if I take him in the 1st -- much less give up a pick for him. Especially if that pick is a fifth, where you can normally find a solid starting guard anyway.

Ultra Peanut 04-27-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4720143)
Hey if the guy is a franchise LT, I have no right to complain.

But just imagine if he turns out to be a guard. Pro Guard or not, I don't know if I take him in the 1st -- much less give up a pick for him. Especially if that pick is a fifth, where you can normally find a solid starting guard anyway.

Guards are kind of important, too, so you end up with a very low risk pick with an insanely high ceiling. I do not understand how you can complain about this pick when the other options were Otah or ****in' Cherilus.

Mr. Arrowhead 04-27-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4716406)
I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day.

You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had.

But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding.

Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one.

go get laid

Direckshun 04-27-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 4721103)
Guards are kind of important, too, so you end up with a very low risk pick with an insanely high ceiling. I do not understand how you can complain about this pick when the other options were Otah or ****in' Cherilus.

I would have preferred Otah at #17 than sacrificing a 5th and trading 3rds to get Albert at #15.

Mecca 04-27-2008 06:06 PM

Otah isn't exactly a lock.....I know some scouts question his feet and think he'll eventually end up as a guard.

Ultra Peanut 04-27-2008 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4721317)
I would have preferred Otah at #17 than sacrificing a 5th and trading 3rds to get Albert at #15.

And what a massive sacrifice it was! Hanging on in the hopes of finding a lucky gem is way better than getting a guaranteed starting-caliber guard who could be an elite LT.

ct 04-27-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4720143)
Hey if the guy is a franchise LT, I have no right to complain.

But just imagine if he turns out to be a guard. Pro Guard or not, I don't know if I take him in the 1st -- much less give up a pick for him. Especially if that pick is a fifth, where you can normally find a solid starting guard anyway.

I give up a 5th for a Pro Bowl Guard any day. Will he be a Pro Bowl Guard? dunno. will he be our starting LT? dunno. But he's a great OLine talent, and is ready to start day 1, don't know that otah is ready to start at all.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-27-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4719289)
Needless to say, I thought it was a lousy move by the Ravens.

But you are vindicated.

This is something I'm 100% sure I'll be reminded of in a year. ;)

Not by me dude. I had my fun with it. I don't go around throwing shit in people's face.

Mecca 04-27-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts (Post 4721411)
Not by me dude. I had my fun with it. I don't go around throwing shit in people's face.

Oh yea?

::Throws shit at Flopnuts face::

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2008 06:43 PM

Direckshun,

Albert is a no lose prospect. He's got the ability to be an All-Pro LT, and if he can't put it together out there, he's a dominant guard.

bowener 04-27-2008 07:03 PM

re****ingtarded.

kchero 04-27-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4716406)
I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day.

You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had.

But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding.

Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one.


Your absolutely right! I don't see why we couldn't get Chris Long and Matt Ryan and Mcfadden as our Rb of the future. Whats wrong with One Arrowhead Drive.

Direckshun 04-27-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4721458)
Direckshun,

Albert is a no lose prospect. He's got the ability to be an All-Pro LT, and if he can't put it together out there, he's a dominant guard.

Honestly, that's the rosiest scenario there is. Nobody knows if Albert can even work at OT, much less LT, much less be All Pro at it. Hell I think more people (including the vast universe of non-Chiefs fans, not just us here at CP) would assume that Otah has a better shot at that than Albert.

And guess what happens if Otah somehow sucks at LT? He can become a dominant guard.

I would have preferred him at 17. But eh, nothing I can do about it now.

keg in kc 04-27-2008 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4721716)
I think more people (including the vast universe of non-Chiefs fans, not just us here at CP) would assume that Otah has a better shot at that than Albert.

I haven't seen or listened to any local press on the draft yet (that comes tomorrow) but the consensus from the non-affiliated (to a city/team) national press I've seen seems to be that Albert was the 2nd best tackle prospect in the draft, and I've heard conjecture more than once that he could be better than Long in 2 or 3 years.

At the end of the day, the most important opinion of all is the Chiefs', most important because they're the ones with everything to lose/gain. They're the ones who have to gamble on what they believe, and reality is that they just don't move up to take him at 15 if they have any question at all about whether he's going to be their left tackle in time, or about whether he's going to be a dominant one.

Direckshun 04-27-2008 08:34 PM

Well I can't really argue with that.

The whispers I heard was that Clady was the best pure LT in the Draft, that Long is a monster RT with potential to man down LT, that Albert is a wild card but nobody's sure if they've ever seen a guard witih his skillset, and that Otah is the power tackle to Williams' finesse.

DT Fan 04-27-2008 08:52 PM

If we took Will Shields in the first round, some people would grade it a C because "you don't take guards in the first round."


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