Guards just aren't worth that high of a pick even if you know he's gonna be that good.....you can get a good guard in the middle rounds.

I got fleeced for pissing on the Albert pick.

But if we end up with the #5 pick next year again, and Oher or Smith falls in our lap, and we have to move Albert to OG or RT... I pretty much will have been vindicated. We will have a spent a #15 pick on a nonvaluable position.

Eh if they moved him to RT it wouldn't be a huge deal you'd just have 2 awesome book ends and well with this emphasis on pass rushers even heavier than it was with the Giants winning and all the 3-4 teams that wouldn't be a bad thing to have...

By the way....I'm up to about 10 DE's I think can be very good NFL players that will almost certainly be in next years class.....I think next years DE class will be very good.

I still like the risk:reward we got for Albert. I mean, he projects to LT and even if he fails he will still be an excellent guard. Maybe it's just me, though.

Talk. Share. Illuminate us. We've all got nothing else to do.

It was a middle of first round pick, guard wouldnt be ideal but Steve Hutchinson was taken in that range and he is probally the best guard in the NFL. Now if it was at #5 then I would throw a hissy fit.

Oh, it's definitely not just you. LOL

If it's that deep there could be some real value in the early third, imo. especially following this year's class.

Oh man, I've already done the rounds on Albert.

I'll just say what I said then: if Albert turns out to be a stud LT, I am a horse's ass. If he holds his own, I'm wrong. But if he struggles and they have to move him elsewhere, I think that's a lousy-ass pick that could have gone to Rodgers-Cromartie, Mike Jenkins, or Devin Thomas.

Ok I'm going to split them because some of these guys would have to be strong side DE's and wouldn't be first round picks but would be real nice players to have.....

Firstly on the pass rush side we have...

Michael Johnson
George Selvie
Eric Moncur
Greg Hardy
Maurice Evans
Lawrence Wilson-this guy along with Moncur are the ones I see with huge breakout potential this year.

On the strong side we'll have
Greg Middleton
Kyle Moore

I don't think Thomas is going to be all that good..he had 1 good year in college and well, his hands are kinda suspect aswell.

Okay, Maurice Evans I can see. But other than him and the aforementioned Middleton and Johnson, I'm not excited yet.

I'll give it a year.

Lawrence Wilson was better thought of than Vernon Gholston entering last year then he broke his leg.....

I think that guy may vault himself into being a top 5-10 pick...

Personally I list Kyle Moore and he plays at SC, here's the thing with him he plays in the cover 2 and he's a great player to have he starts for us there but in the NFL he'd be a great pick in say the 4th round. He's 285 knows the defense and is a great run defender and would give you some options.

Well lord knows you nailed the Chiefs' draft forwards and backwards, so you've earned the benefit of the doubt at this point.

If things pan out as I suspect they will (mainly this team will struggle, Croyle will flame out, and Bradford will NOT declare), this is a starter draft for us if we're around #3:

1. Stafford
2. DE Pannel Egboh, Stanford
3. MLB Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia
4. WR Greg Matthews, Michigan
5. DE Jeremy Jarmon, Kentucky
6. OG Paul Fanaika, Arizona State
7. some DT from a smaller school who tore it up, let's say Jake Visser for Ferris State.

We still have a shitload of holes, though. I wouldn't mind us finding some way to shop Tony G or Waters or somebody to get us some picks.

GUYS WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS THE ONLY ANSWER IS TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Tebow won't play for us unless we make jorts parts of the official team uniform.

I would love to have Oher, even if Alberts does a great job. We can move Alberts to RG then have our Roaf and Shields back,! and 10 years younger.

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Which makes this year's draft even better.

We didn't panic and overvalue a DE to replace Allen, we filled holes AND got great value.

Next year if Hali/Whomever don't cut it we can take another swipe at DE. Hopefully DE and another CB.

Oh, and of course a Safety. Safeties are like Jello in KC: there's always room for more...

Word is Percy Harvin has bulked up this summer. He now weighs over 200lbs and benches 400lbs.

Visual evidence:

http://www.gatorcountry.com/images/u...rvinbulked.jpg

I don't think that will happen, Jenkins is tight in every aspect. He can play both safety and CB, and he is a lock down CB for sure. He plays CB 3/4 of the time, but will play S in certain packages.

REP. Not many people know that, you seem to be well rounded in your College football knowledge. Lawrence Wilson in one word is a "stud".

If I were Mecca.... I would buy the domain DraftMecca.com or something, and put up a site with my insights.

Good shit, man.

No shit, the guy's a pro.

He pretty much deserves the red carpet treatment this year. He just about nailed the Chiefs draft.

If we're in the top 5 I'd expect us to be looking at QB, hard.

Or Oline, one of the two. I have a feeling we draft defense in the first round though. Defense!

It's in no way a knock on Jenkins who I feel is the better player, it's my theory on how the draft process works. I think Jenkins, Laurenaitis, and possibly Maualuga to an extent will be affected by returning when they were potential top 10 picks.

But it will affect Jenkins a bit due to his position the MLB's are probably not top 10 picks either way due to position.

But onto why I think that, when you have been on the radar for a long time people will forget all your positives and point out nothing but your flaws, while a late riser will have the positives reinforced while not being on the map long enough to have all of his negatives discussed nearly as much.

In the Jenkins/Davis battle I see a couple things that will hurt Jenkins, 1 he's been on the radar longer and Davis will be the late riser, when they workout I think Davis will post better numbers especially in the 40 I watched him catch Joe McKnight from behind...

The other thing that I think will factor in that some people probably don't know is that Vontae is Vernon Davis' brother, which is also why I think his workout will be stupid ridiculous good.

I think Jenkins is better but being on the radar longer, being more well known and then he likely won't post the same workout numbers at a position like CB, I think Davis has a legit chance of jumping him.

This thread should be higher just because it's interesting!

More on Harvin:

What QBs does everybody like?

Curious who you folks think I should watch. Give me a few names.

Opinions especially sought about Cullen Harper and Curtis Painter.

Some of the top prospects are probably Matt Stafford (UGA), Sam Bradford (OU), Tim Tebow (UF), Hunter Cantwell (Louisville), Todd Boeckman (OSU), Rudy Carpenter (ASU), Graham Harrell (TT).

People either love Tebow or hate him. I think it gets decided this season.

Harper had an impressive year last season and should improve this year. There's no reason he shouldn't. Painter is inconsistent and, although he has great size, Purdue QBs usually put up numbers.

I'd watch Harper more than Painter and I'd keep an eye on Hunter Cantwell too.

"Definitely," Harvin said. "We want that national title. We've got a lot of the missing pieces now in place. With our team chemistry right now, this should be one of those ridiculous-type years."

Bulletin Board Material

Is Harvin just a Junior?

True junior.

I know, but what are your takes on these guys.

Since our '09 1st rounder is most likely a middle linebacker, who are the top 2 or 3 MLBs to watch?

I disagree with this, in todays game taking a MLB with a top 10 pick isn't really a good idea....they should be taking a QB or a DE, or maybe a OT and that's it...or Michael Crabtree if it breaks that way.

IMO, the top 2 MLBs are Rey Maualuga from USC and Brandon Spikes from UF. I think Spikes will be a better pro (and better fit for our style D) than Laurinaitis.

Disagree, JL fits perfectly into our defense. He is great in pass coverage, he has had quite a few Interceptions, he is great in run D, and great at getting to the QB. He IMO is the best LB in the Nation, I think Rey and JL are close, but JL is better IMO. I think Rey is better than Spikes also.

Watch out for Marcus Freeman from tOSU, he is a playmaker 5th year senior, he is very savvy and very smart. He was an All-American, and look for him in the bottom of the 1st, depending on how well we/he does this year.

Malcolm Jenkins is the Champ Bailey of the NCAA.

Harper had an impressive year last season and should improve this year. There's no reason he shouldn't. Painter is inconsistent and, although he has great size, Purdue QBs usually put up numbers.

I'd watch Harper more than Painter and I'd keep an eye on Hunter Cantwell too.
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I agree with you on Harper and Painter. Painter I have watched every year, he is truly a system QB. Purdue can't run the ball, so seeing their QB's put up 300yds and 2tds a game is the usual, unless they play someone with a great run D, then their offense just sucks.

On the QB front it'll be interesting to see how much Stafford (UGA) and Bradford (OU) improve. If the progress enough they will both be very high picks.

If Tebow miraculously looks like a QB this year he could be someone that's picked high, although I'd prefer it not be by us.

If Vince Young can be a high pick so can Tebow.

I am not going to hate on Tebow, he is a really good player. That being said, I don't want him on my team in the NFL, I really don't think he is going to be good enough to warrant a top pick.

I'm throwing this hypothetical out there since I'd like this thread to get moving again....

Let's say we have a top 5 pick and take a QB or a lineman. If someone like Maulagua is still around near pick 20 or so do you consider either trading up, or trading your first rounder next year?

Probably not....I don't usually think LB's are worth first round picks unless you pick in the bottom of the round.

Assuming you meant "trading DOWN" and further assuming (and hoping) that Croyle proves to be a solid QB, trading down would be my preferred scenario. If we can get Maulagua with a late first and have some nice extra picks it would be pretty helpful. Although if Oher is still there when we pick,.... I don't know.