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Carlota69 09-03-2008 02:41 PM

Is there another band that has this much debate centered around them? Its not like we hear about how the Stones sucked since Goat heads Soup or U2 since josua tree or Ozzy since Diary of a MAdman.

its just continues to prove the point:they are the biggest rock band still producing new music.

kcxiv 09-03-2008 02:42 PM

Its really stupid for them to be mad at anyone. Shit is already all over the illegal download scene.

Chiefnj2 09-03-2008 02:43 PM

2 of the songs are up on their website. IMO, Cyanide sucks, and the long one - the day that never comes(?) has a good musical ending (the last 4 minutes) but the beginning is pretty poor.

Baby Lee 09-03-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 4974848)
Is there another band that has this much debate centered around them? Its not like we hear about how the Stones sucked since Goat heads Soup or U2 since josua tree or Ozzy since Diary of a MAdman.

its just continues to prove the point:they are the biggest rock band still producing new music.

I think most people just refuse to let it enter their brains that the Stones have made any new music since the early 70s.

Don't see Under Cover of the Night on any all-time classics lists.

And U2 is just the opposite, they don't get debated because each new album is another brilliant step forward in pop music.

teedubya 09-03-2008 02:46 PM

I'm gonna download the torrent and erase it, like 500 times...

**** Lars.

Reaper16 09-03-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 4974871)

And U2 is just the opposite, they don't get debated because each new album is another brilliant step forward in pop music.

Hmm. I was gonna' say it was because they've always sucked. Meh.

teedubya 09-03-2008 02:47 PM

Metallica
Death Magnetic (Warner Bros.)
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Description:

One of the most influential bands in music, ranked eighth on the list of the biggest-selling groups in history, Metallica unveils its ninth studio album, Death Magnetic. The bandΓÇÖs first album in five years, Death Magnetic is also its first with renowned producer Rick Rubin (Linkin Park, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Slayer, System Of A Down), first with bassist Robert Trujillo, and first on Warner Bros. An aural assault, embracing the bandΓÇÖs past while moving into the future, Death Magnetic, says Kirk Hammett, is ΓÇ£the best album weΓÇÖve put out in, say, 15 years.ΓÇ¥




TRACKLIST:


1. That Was Just Your Life
2. The End Of The Line
3. Broken, Beat & Scarred
4. The Day That Never Comes
5. All Nightmare Long
6. Cyanide
7. The Unforgiven III
8. The Judas Kiss
9. Suicide & Redemption
10. My Apocalypse

Reaper16 09-03-2008 02:49 PM

The Unforgiven III? Wow.

Demonpenz 09-03-2008 02:50 PM

unforgiven 3 is a dale earnhardt tribute

Carlota69 09-03-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 4974871)
I think most people just refuse to let it enter their brains that the Stones have made any new music since the early 70s.

Don't see Under Cover of the Night on any all-time classics lists.

And U2 is just the opposite, they don't get debated because each new album is another brilliant step forward in pop music.


Thats a fair response, however I work in rock radio and have for over 17 years. This debate has raged since Ride (when i was just a rock music fan only), and no other band creates this much passion than Metallica. Everytime they put out something new, the debate begins. People talk about how they suck now (i have to hear it all--listners feel the need to tell me) and then the CD goes double platinum. Then the tours sell out in 2 hot seconds. Then we do music research to insure that we are playing what the listners want, and the first 2 pages, the highest rated songs, are Metallica songs.

To be fair, their managment are a bunch of tools. They really are. but not just with Metallica. Any band represented by their mgmt look like complete tools. Its just Metallica is the biggest band on their roster.

Carlota69 09-03-2008 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=Ari Chi3fs;4974884]Metallica
Death Magnetic (Warner Bros.)
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Description:

One of the most influential bands in music, ranked eighth on the list of the biggest-selling groups in history, Metallica unveils its ninth studio album, Death Magnetic.

But, they suck and have blown off their wide base of fans ever since they sold out? How could they be that high ranking???? that must be a typo.:rolleyes:

Reaper16 09-03-2008 03:02 PM

Well, I've begun the download. (Which was difficult, because I can't use torrents when on-campus here at NW). I can't wait to <s>love it</s> <s>hate it</s> be disappointed.

nose 09-03-2008 03:09 PM

they been playing it here in new mexico since yesterday. and it may be inspiried by master of pupets but it sucks a whole lot more!

Braincase 09-03-2008 03:23 PM

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teedubya 09-03-2008 03:23 PM

ok, I have downloaded and deleted it once so far!!!!

Iowanian 09-03-2008 03:25 PM

I once got in trouble with N9ne Inch nails....

We sat by a pond on a blanet, over a 12 pack of Busch Light, the temperature just cool enough we needed to sit closely as we had no jackets. The moon glistened off of the water and as she went down to my lap she said...."I can tell you're kind of big in the pants. Sing something romantic and I'll mmmmffffff mmmffffff"

and I sang....
Bow Down befoooooore the one you serve, you're gonna get...what...you....deserve..

I wanna...

Iowanian 09-03-2008 03:27 PM

I heard the new song linked in the media gallery...and I have to say. I thought it sucked sweaty prison balls.

Skip Towne 09-03-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 4974995)
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Jawshco 09-03-2008 03:44 PM

Sheesh! I just don't understand Metallica bashers. First you say that they "sold out", because they did something artistically different with more obvious vocal melodies and style variations, now that they're going back to their roots you say that they're just "rehashing" old stuff?... Isn't that a double standard? Why chastise artists anyway? It doesn't make sense to me.

And some of you won't listen to the old stuff because you don't like the new stuff? How does that make sense? Carlota just played "Lick it Up" by Kiss on her radio show- which is a song I don't like at all, but it certainly doesn't make me hate KISS. It doesn't affect the way Detroit Rock City sounds (which I love).

And why hate Metallica for standing up against illegal downloads? They felt like they were just defending themselves against people stealing from them. They might have gone about it wrong and made an emotional decision instead of calculating how "un-cool" would make them look, but it's no reason to hate their Music. Lars is decent guy. My Dad worked for him on tour, and Lars was one of the nicest, down to earth musicians that he's ever worked for. He may not have done a "cool" thing, but screw "cool" that doesn't even matter.

But I guess the haters will hate.... sigh... :shake:

Braincase 09-03-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jawshco (Post 4975068)
Sheesh! I just don't understand Metallica bashers. First you say that they "sold out", because they did something artistically different with more obvious vocal melodies and style variations, now that they're going back to their roots you say that they're just "rehashing" old stuff?... Isn't that a double standard? Why chastise artists anyway? It doesn't make sense to me.

And some of you won't listen to the old stuff because you don't like the new stuff? How does that make sense? Carlota just played "Lick it Up" by Kiss on her radio show- which is a song I don't like at all, but it certainly doesn't make me hate KISS. It doesn't affect the way Detroit Rock City sounds (which I love).

And why hate Metallica for standing up against illegal downloads? They felt like they were just defending themselves against people stealing from them. They might have gone about it wrong and made an emotional decision instead of calculating how "un-cool" would make them look, but it's no reason to hate their Music. Lars is decent guy. My Dad worked for him on tour, and Lars was one of the nicest, down to earth musicians that he's ever worked for. He may not have done a "cool" thing, but screw "cool" that doesn't even matter.

But I guess the haters will hate.... sigh... :shake:

A special request...

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PunkinDrublic 09-03-2008 03:57 PM

You guys will have to catch them at ozzfest this year. Oh that's right ozzfest only came to where I live. :p

Jawshco 09-03-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 4975115)
A special request...

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LOL! Yeah, a lot of people hated that song. It was called KISS's sell out song, but that band never made any mistake that they'd do whatever it took to make money. That being said, I actually like the live version of the song. It's usually less disco-y. Not that I hate Disco or anything. :p

Fairplay 09-03-2008 04:39 PM

Metallica is the cool. :wayne: and :rockon:

Yes, i don't understand the "they sold out" part that some fans say.
Whatever.

Most of them just follow the crowd on that issue.

teedubya 09-03-2008 04:40 PM

Unforgiven CLXXXVIII is great!!!VII

teedubya 09-03-2008 04:41 PM

Ok I have downloaded and deleted it TWICE now! Im rebellious!!

teedubya 09-03-2008 04:58 PM

this CD does remind me of the pre-douchetastic Metallica. But I know the truth... they are still douchetastic.

HC_Chief 09-03-2008 06:08 PM

[QUOTE=Carlota69;4974916]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 4974884)
Metallica
Death Magnetic (Warner Bros.)
___________________________________________________________________________________


Description:

One of the most influential bands in music, ranked eighth on the list of the biggest-selling groups in history, Metallica unveils its ninth studio album, Death Magnetic.

But, they suck and have blown off their wide base of fans ever since they sold out? How could they be that high ranking???? that must be a typo.:rolleyes:

Album sales does not equate to "good". Britney Spears and The Backstreet Boys sold a shitload of albums as well.

Metallica used to be a thrash metal band. They morphed into a top forty boom-tap band. Good for their pocketbooks, but bad for their metal image. They're not metal, they're top forty poseurs. Some mulletards may think they're metal, but mulletards think AC/DC is metal too. ;)

It's funny you bring up BAD RELIGION, they did the same thing Metallica did, signing with Warner Bros, then corrected their mistake and went back to Epitaph. Their latest <i>New Maps of Hell</i> ranks with their older works IMO.

Reaper16 09-03-2008 06:11 PM

I'm on track 3. Pretty average so far.

RedandGold 09-03-2008 06:30 PM

The music itself is probably the best that Metallica has put out in a while, but the lyrics/vocals are terrible. Basically, I'm into each song until Hetfield starts singing...

Chiefnj2 09-03-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RedandGold (Post 4975603)
The music itself is probably the best that Metallica has put out in a while, but the lyrics/vocals are terrible. Basically, I'm into each song until Hetfield starts singing...

I agree.

They would have been better off with the following song list:

1. Orion II
2. The Call of Ktulu II
3. Anastesia pulling teeth II
4. Orion III
5. The Call of Ktulu III
6. Sanitarium acoustic instrumental version.

RibKing67 09-03-2008 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=HC_Chief;4975510]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 4974916)

Album sales does not equate to "good". Britney Spears and The Backstreet Boys sold a shitload of albums as well.

Metallica used to be a thrash metal band. They morphed into a top forty boom-tap band. Good for their pocketbooks, but bad for their metal image. They're not metal, they're top forty poseurs. Some mulletards may think they're metal, but mulletards think AC/DC is metal too. ;)

It's funny you bring up BAD RELIGION, they did the same thing Metallica did, signing with Warner Bros, then corrected their mistake and went back to Epitaph. Their latest <i>New Maps of Hell</i> ranks with their older works IMO.


I would have to agree with 90% of what you stated. The Black album was the begining of the end. When they took on Bob "pay for play" Rock as the producer I knew it was gonna be bad. This is the same guy that ruined Motley Crue. Then when they did the S&M thing I thought that was cool as hell. Not since Load have I purchased a CD but this one I think I will be there on the 12th to get it.

I have seen them 5 times since Arrowhead the summer of 88 and I have tickets to the show at Sprint center 20 yrs later for #6. I am going if for nothing else to have one night where maybe I can feel like I am 16 again.

Jawshco 09-04-2008 12:17 AM

Okay, I just heard the album. It's got some great monster riffs. I don't have a problem with vocals, but there isn't as strong of a vocal hook on these songs that we've seen in the past. But I'm okay without strong hooks, this album flat out rocks.

I think Judas Kiss is my favorite right now, awesome riffs, intresting drum work, Kirk uses the ultra-high chromatic tap thing on this song (he does this on about three songs on this album- so I'm thinking he really likes that lick, LOL!), and the vocals/lyrics are pretty solid.

Broken, Beat, and Scarred is probably the heaviest track- which I definitely like. My 2nd fav.

All Nightmare Long has a great bass intro from Rob. Definitely an improvement from Newstead. It's great creepy song...for some reason it reminds me of early Sabbath.

I was expecting to Hate Unforgiven 3, but it surprised me. It was pretty decent. Musically it was as related the original as part 2 was, and aside for "ForgiveN" lines it didn't really have to be a sequel. It stands on it's own as a totally new song, and I like that.

The 10 minute instrumental Suicide and Redemption is there for all you like the riffs, but don't want to hear James sing, LOL! Rob has some cool bass solos on that song. He's good, not inventive really, but a good metal player.

Besides the 3 you've already heard (which I like) I think the only others that you're likely to hear as singles is: Judas Kiss, Unforgiven 3 and maybe This Was Just Your Life. Metal stations might must put in the song Broken, Beat, and Scarred to show just how heavy this album is (though I think My Apocalypse already does that fairly well), but this album isn't about selling singles or making hits. It's all about kicking ass and taking names.

I can't wait to see this live! I'm definitely going to buy this album Metallica is back...

Raiderhater58 09-04-2008 03:41 AM

Ok I listened with an open mind, and its definately better than anything post Black Album. I dont hate it.

Inspector 09-04-2008 08:41 AM

Carlota - Is your station going to play the new Vedera (KC band) CD (called "Stages") when it's released? They attended the radio stations executives conference at EPIC headquarters in New York last spring and are supposed to be getting a lot of stations support. You may not know them as they are more pop than rock but they seem to have a pretty good following in Las Vegas. They are produced by Mike Flynn / EPIC records. Just wondering. Thanks.

Deberg_1990 09-04-2008 11:22 AM

For a band that everyone hates, they sure do get alot of hits in their threads?

They still sell a ton of CD's for a band no one likes.

chiefs1111 09-04-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4978324)
For a band that everyone hates, they sure do get alot of hits in their threads?

They still sell a ton of CD's for a band no one likes.

yup

RedandGold 09-04-2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4978324)
For a band that everyone hates, they sure do get alot of hits in their threads?

They still sell a ton of CD's for a band no one likes.

Look at Metallica as the musical equivalent of Whitlock. Even though their output is mostly crap now, it still generates discussion.

Reaper16 09-04-2008 12:00 PM

After listening to the whole album a few times, I find it to be....... pretty ****ing awesome. This is an 8/10 album, people. Good stuff. The vocals are less-than-stellar most of the time, but apart from that the album is an enjoyable, quality listen.

It reminds me of Ride the Lightning in a lot of ways.

Duck Dog 09-04-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4974263)
Wow, heaven forbid a radio station trying to promote a new CD for them in advance. WTF???? Isnt that a radio stations job?

A band has way too much ego when they demand that a radio station stop playing one of their songs.

Duck Dog 09-04-2008 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jawshco (Post 4977312)
Okay, I just heard the album. It's got some great monster riffs. I don't have a problem with vocals, but there isn't as strong of a vocal hook on these songs that we've seen in the past. But I'm okay without strong hooks, this album flat out rocks.

I think Judas Kiss is my favorite right now, awesome riffs, intresting drum work, Kirk uses the ultra-high chromatic tap thing on this song (he does this on about three songs on this album- so I'm thinking he really likes that lick, LOL!), and the vocals/lyrics are pretty solid.

Broken, Beat, and Scarred is probably the heaviest track- which I definitely like. My 2nd fav.

All Nightmare Long has a great bass intro from Rob. Definitely an improvement from Newstead. It's great creepy song...for some reason it reminds me of early Sabbath.

I was expecting to Hate Unforgiven 3, but it surprised me. It was pretty decent. Musically it was as related the original as part 2 was, and aside for "ForgiveN" lines it didn't really have to be a sequel. It stands on it's own as a totally new song, and I like that.

The 10 minute instrumental Suicide and Redemption is there for all you like the riffs, but don't want to hear James sing, LOL! Rob has some cool bass solos on that song. He's good, not inventive really, but a good metal player.

Besides the 3 you've already heard (which I like) I think the only others that you're likely to hear as singles is: Judas Kiss, Unforgiven 3 and maybe This Was Just Your Life. Metal stations might must put in the song Broken, Beat, and Scarred to show just how heavy this album is (though I think My Apocalypse already does that fairly well), but this album isn't about selling singles or making hits. It's all about kicking ass and taking names.

I can't wait to see this live! I'm definitely going to buy this album Metallica is back...


I hope so. We've waited a long time.

|Zach| 09-04-2008 12:18 PM

Metallica is boring.

teedubya 09-04-2008 12:20 PM

Downloaded and Deleted 7 times now. Woo hoo.

And you know, I really like this album... sounds great. Vocals kind of 'meh' but musically it is great.

Reaper16 09-04-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 4978631)
Metallica is boring.

Compared to Dark Angel's "Darkness Descends," yeah Metallica's thrash is light on the riff quotient.

Is it safe to assume that one could replace "Metallica" in your post with "Metal" and still retain the same meaning for you?

Chiefnj2 09-04-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Dog (Post 4978596)
A band has way too much ego when they demand that a radio station stop playing one of their songs.

Others probably paid money to be the "first". God forbid Lars doesn't squeeze every penny possible out of the release.

|Zach| 09-04-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 4978663)
Compared to Dark Angel's "Darkness Descends," yeah Metallica's thrash is light on the riff quotient.

Is it safe to assume that one could replace "Metallica" in your post with "Metal" and still retain the same meaning for you?

Quite possibly

Demonpenz 09-04-2008 12:27 PM

It maybe because they are old now. I can't think of a band right now that is like their age that just comes out and hits you in the mouth. I swear to your now....Three's days grace can bring it.

Demonpenz 09-04-2008 12:28 PM

Although it is getting chilli out. and I think ben folds is coming again. I love me some sweater rock!

KCUnited 09-04-2008 12:30 PM

Can anyone say how this stacks up with the newest Testament? Remotely close?

Demonpenz 09-04-2008 12:32 PM

Sometimes the thought of metal just invokes images of a guy doing dishes at perkins. It doesn't really invoke images of thought. It is more of an attitude. I would have to say it is more about fun for me. I want to be able to thrash out and drink beer, but with atmosphere, karate, Republic tigers (sweet show), I would be more likely to throw on some large headphones and listen closely. We pretty much know what metallica has to say already We rule, we are legends, we are rich, we can do what we want."

Reaper16 09-04-2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 4978693)
Can anyone say how this stacks up with the newest Testament? Remotely close?

I think Death Magnetic is way better.

Reaper16 09-04-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4978704)
Sometimes the thought of metal just invokes images of a guy doing dishes at perkins.

Perfect description. LMAO

Quote:

It doesn't really invoke images of thought.
There is plenty of metal out there that does. But, as is the norm with the genre, the stuff ain't mainstream at all.

DT58HOF 09-04-2008 01:05 PM

omg i used t love them, but this album is garbage

Demonpenz 09-04-2008 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 4978724)
Perfect description. LMAO



There is plenty of metal out there that does. But, as is the norm with the genre, the stuff ain't mainstream at all.


I hear you on that. one thing that would help is if I could understand them what those crazy metal bands are saying.

Reaper16 09-04-2008 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DT58HOF (Post 4978802)
omg i used t love them, but this album is garbage

You're high. For what this album wants to be -- commercially viable, playable on both hard rock and heavy metal radio formats, accessible while at the same time hearkening back to the thrash spirit of the band's early days -- it's a smashing success. Death Magnetic riffs, it grooves, it has melody, it has aggression.

It's not a perfect album, but it's about as good as we can expect from the band given their age and musical progression.

okcchief 09-04-2008 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 4974437)
Oh yeah! It is going to enormous. I'm not sure who's going on tour wit them, but I know they were in talks with Disturbed. That would be Huge!

Their are two legs. Down on the first leg and Lamb of God on the second. The Sword will be on both legs. It's going to be a great ****ing tour. I like the new Metallica and the others are among my favorite bands. I know everyone who likes metal knows who Lamb of God is but if you don't know Down and the Sword check them out now. Great ****ing metal!

Disturbed is overrated imo but that is me.

Third Eye 09-04-2008 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 4981228)
but if you don't know Down and the Sword check them out now. Great ****ing metal!

Disturbed is overrated imo but that is me.

If someone doesn't know Down, then they don't know shit about metal (although I don't really categorize Down as metal myself).

Deberg_1990 09-08-2008 01:05 PM

Rolling Stone gives it a strong review:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/...death_magnetic

I agree. Its a strong comeback and rocks hard.


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