Yes it is, and that's also your opinion, and I respect that, so we'll have to agree to disagree on Hermy. :evil:

I really really wish we would have reconsidered giving LJ a huge extension. I told my old man that back when LJ was holding out last season, and he thought I'd lost my mind. He was a huge LJ fan. After the preseason games this year, the first thing he said to me was "Where the hell did all these good RBs come from? Cause they look better than LJ does. How much are we paying him again?"

I think we all agree that Herm is 100% Dumbass and isnt good for any franchise or young players long term....

Agree, It would of been nice to unload LJ for picks instead of signing the MOST easy position to replace on the football field to a monster contract... IF this was 1989 and you still built teams around the RB position then it was a good move. In 2007, it is a bad move. You dont see championship teams spending that kind of jack on a broken down RB with a injury history and a record setting touches year....

I guess that is why we arent a championship team huh?

I don't really think that LJ is broken though. In the right environment, he could still tear shit up. He's just vastly overpaid for a job that could be handled equally well if not better by a rookie making much much less.

Agree Fishy, Sadly we are an organization/fanbase stuck in the mediocrity of the past...

Until we get fresh management and coaching, we will continue this cycle of below mediocrity at the expense of the "true fan".

And that's the part we don't agree on. I think I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly, the tunnel is still 14 miles long, but I do think we're breaking the cycle that has plagued this franchise for a long time. I have my doubts whether Herm can finish the project, but as long as we're headed in the right direction, I can live with it. The wins might not be there right now, but the culture that's being instilled is positive growth IMO.

Even his old self wasn't that good -- you score points by throwing the football, and LJ is horrid in that respect. I'd cut his ass and go with Smith and Charles.

I dont think we should cut him, I would just let Herm continue to end his career..

Let Herm work is buttsex magic, run LJ up the centers ass week in and out. Use him up and toss him to the curb with Carl and Herm in 2 years...

Are you serious? I mean, really serious?

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Where would you like the Chiefs to run the ball?

Baffling, aint it?

Suppose we decided we wanted to trade LJ -- what's your opinion of what we could get?

I know you didn't ask me, but I'm thinking along the lines of the McGahee deal:

2 mid round picks.

That's still better than cutting him outright.

Preferably to the left, Dane.

It baffles me that we kept running to the right side last week, behind the linemen we got from Goodwill - instead of running behind the All-World RG and up and coming LT we have.

Anybody who wants herm fired is in for a long couple of seasons. Openly acknowledging the rebuild was ownership giving him 2-3 more years.

Yeah, I'd trade him if we could. I just don't know what value a RB who refuses to pass block has in today's NFL. In fact, I'd say the primary function of a back now is to pass block. If you can't (or won't) do that....

Spot on.

He'll at least get to finish out his contract.

I dunno. Miami turned their roster over much more than we did. If Miami is 7-9 and we are 2-14, how do you go in front of the fan base and claim Carl and Herm are the best duo for the job?

Do you honestly think Miami is REBUILDING?

I don't.

They went out and grabbed a shit-ton of FA's, hoping to God they made a quick turn around.

Basically, the same thing Carl's been doing the past 19 years, until this year.

Miami's not going to win a Championship with that philosophy, Parcells, or no Parcells.

They are in full cover their ass mode, doing anything possible to sell tickets ASAP before Huizenga and Ross ships the team out of ****ing town.

I feel LJ doesn't fit in this type of offense. I believe that we need faster guys than he can be.

I'm all for trading LJ for a draft pick.

Miami won't be 7-9 and we won't be 2-14. Turning over more doesn't necessarily mean turning over better.

'course, I think the rebuild really started last year which is why I think it's possible Herm's on the hot seat in 2009.

I also think it's possible Carl is out if 2008 goes too awry. Herm, however, appears to have Clark Hunt's backing.

That's the thing people don't want to think about. It's not about what you want or what I want, it's about what Clark wants, and if he's sold on Herm as the guy to take this franchise forward (and there's every indication that he is) then Herm's not going anywhere, whether they're 2-14 or not. And whether we like it or not. For now at least.

If he isn't, I am.

Both Charles and Smith have displayed, consistently, much more patience and vision.

LJ is ****ing useless.

When he put up big yardage, he had holes to run through and got into the second level, where he would lay the wood on DBs that were tackling him.

Now he's a pussy doesn't get to the second level often, and when he does, he no longer lays the wood, and runs out of bounds if he has that chance.

He sucks as a blocker, and receiver.

As I said, he's ****ing useless, with his 3.5 ypc.

Herm's pals Lovie Smith & Tony Dungy are the blueprint for what Herm wants to do in KC. I'm sure he's sold Clark Hunt on that and will give him at least until 2010 to make something happen.

Maybe longer because of the QB situation.

But to CUT him? Come on.

Especially after giving him a $19 million dollar bonus last year.

We have the cap space right now, so why the hell not?

Do you think we'd get any real value for his useless ass.

Mods, could you sticky this thread and put all the subsequent fire Herm threads, which a most assuredly to follow, please.

The bonus money is a sunk cost. He should be 3rd on the depth chart. He'd probably be worthy of a roster spot, except for that fact that he'd be a clubhouse disruption if he was demoted to that position. I'd try to trade him for something, but I doubt there would much of a market.

A running back with a 3.5 YPC or thereabouts over last season and this who refuses to pass-block? No thanks.

fire Herm...sure!!! I'm all for it.

But seriously, do you really think that's going to happen this year? next year? NO. Give it 3 years.

My prediction....?

2010...Carl will "retire" and Herm will be let go. Then we'll be good for a couple years...ala Vermeil, then the pain starts all over.

I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

Amen, the time has come, promoting to head the scouting department but get him the hell away from our offense.

Herm has done something even Frank Gansz and Paul Wiggin could not do, double digit consecutive losses. He's taken what was one of the most powerful offenses in the league and neutered it. He has molded this team in his image. Like the Chinese say, "Be careful what you wish for." When this team runs a draw play or screen on third and long every time for the first three quarters, that's Herm. When they rely on the secondary to make a big stop in a passing situation, that's Herm. We hired the most conservative coach in the league. His team is not only playing badly, they are boring to watch.

We are to the point when we are faced with a big division rival with a new coach that the owner was having doubts about in the off-season, and we can't beat that team at home, its time to make a change. This game has got to be a make or break for Herm Edwards. If you can't win this game, is it realistic to think we can't win any?

Yep. And the longer Herm can string out the QB situation, the longer he probably has.

FAX

Well it was a cluster **** the 4 years he was in NYJ....

What has it been the 3 years in KC?

Don't tell me! Don't tell me! I know this one ...!

FAX

All I am saying Mr FAX is that history has a strange way of repeating itself...

Seems to me that it repeats itself a little to often with Herm.

Of course it does.

Can't get through that thick skull still.

It is still hard for me not to http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images...s2/soapbox.gif when it comes to Herm...

Everything that I thought he would do to this team has come true and it is just sickening...

0-16 "Just lose baby"

Really I expect to lose but with some flair, with hope the offense will be powerful when the youth movement is over. The defense should be aggressive now, but no not with this fucked up coaching staff headed up by Herm.

When you speak with the Tack peeps about the Chiefs, all they talk about is the speed. Speed on defense and speed on offense (I think they mean Charles, on offense).

I still haven't gotten my game tape. Are they justified in being impressed?

FAX

Amen brother and let me tell you I don't even lnow if Herm would make either list...

Dave

LMAO

THIS game has got to be a make or break for Herm? This one? This one single game?

We're rebuilding. Everyone from here to Mars expects us to be bad while the young guys get some experience.

I realize it's hard to have patience with your favorite team, but come on... it's the second game of the season.

Time to join the sentiment of this thread. No way we should look this bad against the Raiders at home. No excuse whatsoever. We played the stinkin' Pats closer than this at their house. Inexcusable!

You are a great poster, Mr. KC Fish. And knowledgeable in the ways of the pigskin.

Nevertheless, there are aspects of this performance that are telling. And they're telling me that Herm is the king of the morons. Crown his ass.

FAX

Nay, the king of fools.

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I give up. To have this kind of performance and see players laughing it up on the sideline while we're getting shut out at home against the Raiders early in the 4th quarter is representative of the coaching staff IMO. I'm deserting the Hermines. It's time to move in a new direction. Again.

I'm at a complete loss of words ... was that a pro game i just watched .. utterly embarrassed to be a chiefs fan!

Anyone who didn't think this kind of performance was possible is fooling themselves. We are a crappy team.

This will happen again. This is rebuilding. We have a long way to go.

Exactly

What does rebuilding have to do with constantly running against 8-9 man fronts. Whether Herm has had veteran team here, or a young one, he constantly runs against stacked lines. This is not rebuilding, this is incompetent game-planning and coaching.

Heh. 52-62 and sinking like a stone. If we don't beat Atlanta we may not win until November.

When we have half of an offensive line, you can't do whatever you want to do with playcalling. It won't work.

Do you expect us to drop back and throw all day when McIntosh is pushing his defender towards the QB?

Please feel free to come up with a successful offensive gameplan with the consideration that we have < 2 seconds to get rid of the ball.

I'm not upset about the loss as I have given in to the rebuilding agenda Hermie is selling. What choice do we have to be honest? I don't think Hermie or CP really care what we as fans think.

But that's not my point. My point is even after throwing in the towel and calling this season a rebuilding year is the play calling and overall coaching below terrible? Why on first down do we run it up the middle, again and again. For no gain. Again. In my opinion a rebuilding year should still have positive plays for yardage down the field. The rookies are learning nothing but how to lose and the vets are going to be frustrated or worse, injured. Hermie just loves to run players into the ground. The "rebuilding" process needs to start with a much better head coach than the Chiefs have now or it's going to be more of the same for years to come.

Half the teams in the league have below-average offensive lines. Yet only the Chiefs consistently run against 8 man fronts. Screen passes and quick slants are two options most coaches use.

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Statistics are great....

Half the starting QBs in the league are worse than the other half.....

Ummm...that was my point. We are hardly the only team in the league that doesn't have a great O-line.

Here's another stat.... half the teams in the league will lose this week!

Shocking!

You should change your avatar to Gun getting his brains beat in. Gun sucks ass.

but will those team who lost have consistently banged their heads into a brick wall, or will they at least have tried to win?

how many have lost 11 games straight?

Thank you my Chiefs Bretheren to keep this thread alive and well...

Rebuilding. Get over it.

In his defense milk - when he put up those numbers he had Shields & Roaf. ANYBODY could do that. Remember Holmes? Any RB can do that behind that line we had. Possibly the best in NFL history.

I'd almost rather run on every down than see Thiggy throw the ball :Lin: Either way, we are F'd

Theres worse?

Please admit Herm cannot build a team. It has been documented.

Thigpen was awful, but part of his problem was no open receivers because the Chiefs refused to try to stretch the field. How bad Thigpen looked -- to me, that's on the coaching staff. Either he IS that bad, in which case why is he on the roster, OR he does have some talent, but we can't call a game that keeps the D off balance.

I officially on the bandwagon. Rid of Sperm.

Yet, we traded a draft pick for him!

Hell I never got off, started from day one!

I agree with you completely about stretching the field, but Thigpen's accuracy is just god awful. He had trouble with the simplest of passes and threw the ball into quadruple coverage and could have EASILY had 4 or 5 picks. All in all I agree with what you are saying.

He's on the roster because he does have pretty good athletic ability and some talent, but right now his accuracy and decisions are horrid. He's a young guy in a bad situation.

How does this thread only have 150 posts?

Yep. It amazes me that, even today, we're still trying to run the ball into stacked enemy fronts and rarely, if ever, throwing past the 1st down marker. It seems to me that Gailey should know better. You cannot - cannot - limit yourself to only the 10 to 15 yards beyond the LOS and win in this league. I mean, even if you don't make the play, you have to throw the deep ball on occasion - before you fall behind and before you're forced into it. It's very basic football theory. I can't believe that Gailey doesn't understand this or, if he does, why we're repeating the same offense that failed us so completely for the last two seasons.

FAX

Fire Herm and Carl asap...

I'm sick of these jokers

Having the defense gashed for 300 rushing yards does not seem like an improvement. At least the team won games during DVs tenure here.The platooning of QBs was a joke today. Herm is clueless. This is one of the worst Chief teams ever fielded. The offense is hard pressed to score once a game. Im not buying into the rebuilding bs. That is just an excuse for Herm to masqeurade as an NFL head coach for a few more years.

It is time for a change.
 

It is time for a regime change in Arrowhead (or whatever they are going to call it). Clark needs to take control of the situation and put his mark on the team. There should be discussions right now on who can come in here and be our general manager and our head coach because the guys we have now just are not getting the job done. If excuses are like assholes then Herman Edwards has got more than one today after that butt kicking yesterday. That game was like watching your best friend's dog getting tortured (sorry Vick fans) and there being nothing you can do but sit in shock. That bubble screen pass that Thigpen threw to the Raiders was a pathetic attempt to help Kiffin keep his job. It was at that point that my entire system went into shock and I was unable to comprehend what I was watching. I think that it was an NFL game but I am not all that certain because as soon as it was over the Chargers and Broncos played a real game. For Petro's sake here are two guys that I would target. General manager Marty Schottenheimer and Head Coach Bill Cower. I bet those two could turn it around.

Because people feel the need to start an entire new thread every 10 minutes?

Dude, the pace is way faster than 10 minutes.

According to Mrs Buehler445, She would be delighted if you could last for 10 minutes......ROFL

Because the software won't let me make the same post repeatedly.

Fire Carl and Herm!

That in mind, someone has to be the worst head coach in the league. Herm is it.