I understand that completely but I think that you guys are expecting too much out of a 7th round draft choice that's been forced into starting unexpectedly. He is improving.

:rolleyes: Dude,if it's asking too much for your team to know where they're at in the game or the head coach reminding them that the clock is ticking then the whole organization needs to be scrapped.

Cripes,clock management is taught from pee-wee on.

That's "The Dick Curls" job.

I don't care who we play at QB. But when you're playing Thigpen to get a chance to see what he is, why the heck are you not playing Richardson instead of the man that shames Willy Roaf's number?

They're wanting to see what the young guys can do, but only some of them. Makes no sense.

Well, we've gone down this road, we probably need to stick with it for a little bit. But Thigpen has to get better, a lot better. No he doesn't need to be Tom Brady, but he has to cut down on the bad passes, start completing 50%+ of his passes, etc. And the scary part is now we're going to start playing tougher teams, and now they're actually going to be gameplanning for Thigpen, so he is going to have to raise his level of play.

People can exaggerate about Huard, he's not some kind of savior, that's obvious. But if defenses start clamping down on Thigpen and his numbers don't improve it's going to be historically ugly. Going 14-36 and throwing 3-4 picks a game is not going to give anyone on offense a chance to do anything, and continuously put our defense in a worse position than even Huard does.

It is not asking to much to put together a roster that can play? How does a team have 3 headed sacks of monkey shit all at the same position? I know you enjoyed yesterday not too many others did.

Keep your expectations low, that way you will never be disappointed.

We are asking for too much. We should be happy Thigpen was 1 for 11 for minus one yard. After all he could have been 1 for 11 for -2 yards and that would have been worse.

ROFL at your avvy. I hate to admit it but....nice work. Now this board has a guy that jerks off pigs and another that fux donkeys :)

Considering this guy got no time with the first team offense in training camp and he played against 1-AA talent before that, it's asking far too much for a 7th rounder that was waived by his original team to be incredible in all phases of the game.

That being said, he definitely showed improvement from week two to week three.

That's pretty much all you can ask for at this point. Improvement.

Apparently, you and many of the other Chiefs fans disappointed with the Chiefs showing this year didn't get the memo:

They're rebuilding.

Rebuilding doesn't mean re-loading. It essentially means that this team is an expansion team. Instead of going out and plugging holes with free-agents, they've decided to draft players, play them immediately and play the old guys on the roster until they're replaced next off-season.

They're building a team from the ground up. It's going to be a bumpy ride until all of their needs can be addressed. Then hopefully, they can draft for depth or move around and grab a superstar in 2010.

The coaching is piss poor. They can blame it on rebuildking for a few more years and keep thier job. I got that memo.

You realize they just got dismantled by two other teams that are also rebuilding right?

Are you implying that the play-calling is bad on the offense and the defense?

Or that the position coaches aren't getting the most out of each individual player and position?

Are you implying that Dwayne Bowe isn't being coached up enough to catch every ball? Or that Gunther isn't preparing his linebackers to play?

Or could it be that Dwayne Bowe needs to concentrate more during the game and that the linebackers don't have any talent to play the game?

This simple "the coaching sucks" is bullshit.

Define it.

Two other teams that are much further along. Both of those teams has been "rebuilding" for years, i.e., picks at the top of the draft. Both of those teams have QB's taken in the top five of the NFL draft and both teams have far more talent overall than the Chiefs.

Not to rehash but Vermeil's drafts killed any opportunity for the Chiefs to avoid a full-on rebuild.

Quite true. It's kind of shocking, to tell the truth.

By the way, has anyone made sure that Herm has a pistol and a cyanide capsule in his top desk drawer?

FAX

bullshit is a good definition. Playing not to lose. Look at the offensive schemes. Looks the same as Solari's did. And he got canned for it. Either GAiley is Solari's twin brother or Herm is sticking his finger in Gailey's pie. Same goes for the defense. These are not cover 2 players. Let Gun call the defense that fits the players and I bet you see different results. Herm keep comparing things to the Tampa days. That appears to be all he knows. Well guess what the Tampa days are here....12 losses in a row.
The coaching sucks.

You just defined it...

Thanks, you took the words right out of most our mouths. Our coaching staff is killing this teams development... rebuilding or not, this bunch of ass caps cant get it done.

Its time to move on.

IMO, you could bring back Bill Walsh from the dead and he's not winning more than 2 games with this roster.

I am by NO stretch of the imagination implying that Herm's coaching staff is great or even good. But with so many holes on the offensive and defensive side of the ball, a kicker who can't make a 26 yarder and absolutely no depth anywhere but at the running back position (and how ironic is that!), it's impossible to judge this staff.

Well considering this teams talent is made up mostly from 3 drafts and offseasons with Herm, this team is right were most thought it would be.

Over all marginal talent drafted from 2006 on and a coaching staff with the IQ of a dead tree stump.

You can judge Herms staffs from his time with the jets til now. Its pretty telling how Herm operates.

Dane,

Whose fault is it after three years that the team has less talent now (in your opinion) than it did in 2005?

Much further along?
Matt Ryan was drafted in April.
JaMarcus Russell made his second NFL start 3 weeks ago.

Oh I know!11l11!!!! Me me me!!!! Over here!!!!


It has to be DV's fault...!!!!ONE!ELEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Herm has a "keen eye" for talent, his drafts will start producing any moment now!

:clap:

How do you argue that?

He really hasn't lost me, Mr. Fax. I am just completely perplexed by the whole Thigpen situation.

I retain my belief that when Croyle gets back, people will be shocked how much better we are in the 2nd half of the year. And I still know that Herm's history is very impressive in terms of getting teams with marginal talent to win big games in December and January.

Atlanta and Oakland both went out and blew a ton of free agents. They are farther long than we are for sure. We are at the bottom of the bottom, they are at the bottom.

I'm not suprised by this.

I am suprised this isn't getting defended by the Huard lovers.

I can think of two impact Free Agents they acquired this off-season.
Elam and Turner. Which only gives them an advantage in the kicking game.

It's not as though we haven't made Free Agent signings along the way.

I don't buy that for one second.
Too many other pieces of information that make that hard to believe.
Kevin Harlan said the very same thing this morning in his interview with Steven St. John on the "Border Patrol".

My wife's family is there. We'll find him and bring him to justice.

Please don't.
Let him stay in South America.
Maybe he can find a "football" team there to coach.

You are a very loyal person, Mr. Zouk. I commend you for it.

At this point, few would even attempt to defend Herm and his jolly band of Bozos. I think, however, that this may well be the beginning of the end of your appreciation for the guy. The evidence strongly suggests that Herm is an assclown of biblical proportions (and don't try arguing that the Bible contains no direct references to assclowns). We are teetering on the edge of a complete meltdown.

FAX

Did you look at Charles stats? He had both more carries and receptions than either of the 2 previous games.
I don't think Thigpen is the answer, but there is absolutely no reason to put Huard out there unless everyone else is injured.

he's a quitter


and chiefs fans love quitters, apparently....

LMAO


that is the most calm deployment of the phrase "assclown of biblical proportions" i've ever seen....

i imagine Father Mulcahy saying it

how long doe sit take for NFL coaches to realize that if you give lj a toss hes gonna take it for 5+? when he Finally got that play he looked like a totally different guy. toss him the ****ing ball

I laughed when they were running the ball down 3 scores in the 4th quarter.Atlanta seemed pretty content to just let the Chiefs run the clock out too....

Also rebuilding your team without a QB is like trying to lay the foundation of your house with no cement.

Herm's only playoff wins come against Marty Schottenheimer and Tony Dungy, pre-Manning revolt.

You can't evaluate a guy's playoff success when his only wins are against people from the Schottenheimer tree. That would be like ranking a guy as the #1 contender in UFC because he pushed two septugenarians in Jazzies down a cliff.

You are talking to the guy that predicted 3-13. Barking up the wrong tree here. :D

Turns out I even overestimated too. ;)

Huard is just going to get hurt and cause more problems in the end. At least pickpen can move around.


Huard quit last season. Everyone knew it. I honestly dont blame him. He got beat up and had his will taken from him. Same thing will happen. Our Oline is just as bad as last year.

Putting Huard back in the game will do nothing but prove that the Chiefs are not committed to a youth movement or a rebuilding program.

We sent Green away because he was too old, Huard might not be as old as Green but he is also nowhere as good.

Problem is that we do not have any QB's on the team, only people wearing the number. Thigpen was less than impressive, but it was his first time out of the chute.

I don't think he is going to do considerably better, but what if he suddenly "fits" into the position? Troy Aikman sucked his first year only winning one game.

Guys, we are not a good team - all around. We are not going to win many, if any, games this year. We need to take a look at as many of the players we have while we have the time to give them a shot to grow.

Any QB can look adequate with the proper supporting cast. This year there is no supporting cast. For the most part the team has been micromanaged into oblivion. Not a single player seems to GAS.

Leadership on this team is non-existant.

Pre-Manning revolt - that's hilarious. You're making up little stories in your mind to fit reality to theories you made up before-hand. It was not a revolt that made the Colts better, it was years and years of melding a system and keeping it together. It was years of adding young players to a defense that was terrible when Dungy arrived. Tom Moore called the plays in 2002 and he calls the plays now.

Dismiss it all you want - that Jets team in 2002 went up to Foxboro and beat Tom Brady in a huge game in Week 16, blew out the 12-4 Packers 42-17 in Week 17, and then demolished the Colts 41-0 in the playoffs. There were no flukes there, and no easy opposition.

And I'm curious - do you think Norv Turner is a better coach than Marty Schottenheimer? Who exactly is a good coach? Belichick and Belichick only? You might say Andy Reid - but you forget that he lost 3 home playoff games in consecutive years as a home favorite - the same stuff you get on Marty for. Sean Payton because he loses 42-39 and you think defense is boring? My guess is that you think everyone sucks.

I still don't think people realize the mediocre level of talent those Jets teams had. Everyone bags on Chad Pennington, but somehow they think Herm underachieved in New York by only going to the playoffs 3 times, winning 2 playoff games, and being competitive every year Pennington was healthy while in the same division with a dynasty in its peak years? It just doesn't make sense.

And Herm made the right decision on Thigpen today.

Yeup.....2002.....................yeup.

Ah ha!!! Now I get it. So that's what that guy meant when he kept saying "Rebuilding. Get over it." It's all starting to make sense now........

Well, all I can say is ..... FUUUUUUUUUUU*******************************KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're not blaming the QB, we're blaming the statistics he is producing, which is actually a great way you evaluate talent.

Through 2 games, 1 start:

279 yards
40.6 % completion percentage, most just dink and dunks, a few dropped passes.
2 TD
4 INT
QB Rating 38.3 <----- This number isn't there for nothing.

Stats don't lie, and even though we aren't fortune tellers, you don't have to be with statistics and lack of fundamentals you see every snap this kid takes. Just give it up Thigpen supporters, you had your chance, Huard you're up!

Hopefully, you'll be consistent about that opinion when Croyle comes back and stinks it up.

It occurs to me that, one of the biggest, hidden screw ups in this whole deal is the loss of Trent Green. Sure, Trent's egg was scrambled, but regardless of what you think of Croyle, he would have benefited far more from Trent's tutelage, guidance, and advice on the sideline than Air Downfield's musings on the fetal move and the intricacies of the running back dumpoff.

When this is all over and Herm is finally gone, you could write a book on "What Not To Do When Rebuilding" based on this walrus orgy.

FAX

I certainly will.

Where have you been? Asleep?