Then you have no ground to stand on.

Settle for spanking your kids when they start using profanity in a few years. Maybe that will drive it out of them.

Are you giving parenting advice now?

Sounds like it's working

Guilty as charged :(

I'll determine right and wrong when it comes to my kids. It's my responsibility to my kids. Don't preach to me about things you don't have a clue about. You look even more stupid than you usually do on this board when you start giving advice to parents on how to raise their kids.

I mean no ill will on anyone on this board. The thing about it, is you got these hard nose people on here trying to protect their kids, then you hear or see what kind of houses or homes they have, I would much rather try to emulate what they are doing than try to get into an arguement.

This isn't about your kids. It's about other people.

Stop determining what's right and wrong for other people.

You have no right to dictate to others in public just because your ****ing kids are around. Stop using them as an excuse to push your values on other people.

Would you take your kids to a ****ing sports bar?

I don't think the campus football field is actually public

Depends on the sports bar.

The one I hang out in most of the time is a sports bar/family restaurant. The bar area is for the adult patrons, and the family dining is off away from the bar. The first time I hear 50 guys at the bar yelling in unison, "Rip his ******* head off" will be my last time in the bar. Considering I drop a couple grand in there a year, I doubt that will ever happen.

I don't sit at the bar with my kids unless we're the only ones there.

As far as what's right and wrong for other people, that's a matter of subjective truth versus objective truth. Words have power, and the more you use certain words, the less power they have. I never cuss around my kids... but when the time comes in their teenage years and they really screw up, that's when the power of those words will reveal themselves. If you curse all the time, then when the time comes to really make a point, you've already played your best card.

Like I stated, young man. You raise your kids the way you see fit, and I'll do the same. It's my responsibility to protect them and fashion their environment. If that means helping some folks discover their own personally flaws, I accept that responsibility as well. Consider yourself better off because you read this post. Someday you might understand it.

Admission is by ticket, and ticket sales are open to the public.

God, you ****ing self-righteous prick.

sweet.

No worries, they'll be saying this somtime.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/imag...esuckagain.jpg

"Oh no! We suck again!"

LMAO

Thanks for that.

This thread's way more serious than I expected it to be.

If you crap your pants and start stinking, I'm going to tell you that you crapped your pants and your stinking it up. You might not like it, but the truth is the truth.

My kids are good and bright. We all have the chance to make the world a better place. The best chance for me to improve the state of the world is to bring my kids up right. If you don't like it, tough. Someday you might understand, but the reality is you have no right to tell me how to create my kids environment. Zero. Nada. You don't like what I do to protect my kids and create a safe environment for them, stay out of that environment.

The K-State band plays Rock N Roll part 1 and as Chiefs fans we are used to saying "We're gonna beat the hell out of you!", the K-State student body chant's "We're gonna beat the **** out of you!" in unison, clear as day.

That's right, asshole. EVERYONE should change how they act in public JUST FOR YOUR PRECIOUS LITTLE OFFSPRING.

LOOK OUT! HERE COMES BRAINCASE AND HIS CHILLINS! EVERYONE BE ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOR! HE MIGHT CALL SECURITY!

Now see... There's where I think you're starting to go a bit too far.

The only environment you should expect to have full control of is your home. If you choose to leave the house with your children, they might (probably will) hear or see things you don't approve of.

It's not the end of the world if they do. I know I certainly wasn't that sheltered, and my boys won't be either.

But that's my family. How you handle yours is obviously up to you.

Just don't expect the rest of the world to conform to your rules.

(Yes, I know I've done a 180... but BC, you're getting a little extreme here...)

Translation:

In an effort to make it seem like I'm "parenting", I'm going to tell other people what to do in order so that I can call it parenting.

QFT

I expect some unpleasantry, without a doubt. But if I can influence a situation, I will. Most civilized people will realize that they're in a family environment and edit themselves.

I don't usually make a big deal out of it, standing on some soapbox and preaching. I get their attention, say "Hey, there's kids around. You might want to watch your language." Evertime I've done that, people have been contrite and ceased their use of foul language.

The funny thing is that people can always make their point without having to resort to cursing. From my perspective, using foul language is usually demonstrative of poor language skills and below average creativity.

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Good thing the students think they can do it. Seems the football team isn't quite as confident.

I think you're in a world of hurt when your kids get to adolescence. Kids are rebellious.

You are talking about silencing an entire student body. That just ain't going to happen. If this was say a restaurant and the group was of 6, you have a much bigger case of "civility" and "etiquette". At a football game, with massive amounts of people (kids mainly), alcohol and the like, you don't have that kind of luxury. Therefore, if you don't like it, don't take your kids there.

It's like you complaining about what's on the television unaware or unwilling to change the channel.

As any reasonable person would. (and should)

That may be, but people do get caught up in the moment, and I've been known to cuss like a sailor at times.

I think at a football game, you kinda go into it knowing that it's not gonna be all puppy dog tails and ice cream cones. Taking your kids to a game, and then asking people who curse to "stay out of their environment" is a little silly.

You kinda know what you're getting into... that's all.

Actually, it's more like, "If people around me are acting like assholes, I'll let 'em know they're being assholes so they can correct themselves before they get escorted out of the stadium".

And Wendler, you're being more self-righteous than I am. I am being self-righteous, and I accept it. You're in denial.

Yep.

How so?

You're that guy that'd yell "****" twenty more times just to spite the guy with the kids.

Or at least you play that guy on the intarwebs.

I don't even say **** in public. I just don't feel comfortable doing it.

But I'm certainly not going to ask someone else to stop. That's not my right whatsoever. I'm also not going to judge them over it.

I will, however, judge some prick who thinks he can dictate to others just because he popped out a couple kids. As if that makes him special.

I hate it when people act better than me because they have kids. I don't plan on ever having kids, that doesn't doesn't give you the right to do anything you want. Just like those assholes in the mall. I was first in line for santa damnit!

Hey... if you wanna sit on a fat bearded man's lap....

You got 20 bucks?

that's a bargan

Lol something other than the hawks I can agree with Irish on.

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You're trying to put yourself on a pedestal thinking you represent everybody in the world other than me, believing you represent an objective truth.

Um, no. Just the people who believe in freedom of speech.

I'm sitting in the FAMILY zone. If someone wants to go sit in the student section and have a conversation and drop an F-bomb, that's his business. 6,000 students yelling it in unison is a different thing.

You don't get it at all. I'm the one who has been dictated to - I've been told that if I want to bring my kids to the game and have a reasonable chance to deflect foul behavior and language, I have to SIT HERE. So I buy tickets and sit there with my kids with a reasonable expectation that I can watch a football game without having to subject my kids to certain behavior.

Damn, are you that dense? I'm not dragging my kids over to the student section to sit in puke and watch half-naked coeds have a three way with some guy that gets all the hot chicks because he has a motorcycle. I'M SITTING IN THE FAMILY ZONE. What part of that do you not understand?

Feel free to go to a high school game with a large number of African heritage parents and yell "Tackle that n*****!", and use your "Freedom of Speech" argument. I'm sure they'll be quite understanding.

You hit it on the head. Your children > 6000 students.

6000 must conform to your rule or they should leave. :rolleyes:

So, really, you have a problem with where they put the family zone? Like I said, talk to KU about it. I can tell you they won't get it stopped - at least not soon - so you'll have to stop coming out if it's that big a deal to you.

What part of COLLEGE FOOTBALL do you not understand?

I understand you haven't presented any rules that govern what's acceptable in the family zone yet.

A "family zone" at a football game is a joke, anyway. You wasted your money.

If you don't like those horrible curse words, keep the kiddies at home. You have no right to dictate to others how to act in public. NONE.

Always jump to racism as a way to equivocate all speech exceptions.

There should be a law for that. Murphy and Poe have laws. Who else?

When you sit at home with members of your family, watching a KU away game, mom & dad, grampa & gramma hanging out, are you going to yell that to get their blood pumping and get in the spirit of the game?

Well... there's still a chance someone will Godwin the thread.

If it were just me, there wouldn't be an argument. The reality of it is that the majority want it to stop. 40000>6000. Those 40000 spend a lot more money on their tickets and donate more money to the program than those 6000. Somethings going to give, and right now it looks like I'm in the majority.

No problem yelling that in the spirit of the game. I think the only people who would object would be my aunt and uncle, because they, like you, think their kids are going to be innocent forever.

I knew there was one I was missing. How could I forget Godwin's Law.

Suggestions on the law I proposed?

Are you going to back this up or are you blabbing statistics to make it appear you are on the "right" side?

You know what the difference is between ticket holders and students? Ticket holders forgot what it was to be students.

We all define obscenity differently. We all have lines that we think shouldn't be crossed, whether it's a line of good taste, a line of morality, a line of acceptable behavior.

What will end up happening is that when they draw up plans for next years tickets, they'll reduce the number of tickets available to students, and that will continue until the chant stops. The real power lies with those that have the money, the alumni that want to bring their kids to their alma mater to enjoy a football game. Those seats are worth a lot of money, and the alumni will pay more for those seats than the students can.

I doubt it. The tickets are available to anyone who buys a student sports pass. They don't guarantee a seat, however. If they decrease the number, you'll see an increase in price. I guess that's fair if you try to legislate your morality on others.

I've seen it work. Wichita State had a similar issue when I went to school there. We'd yell all kinds of things, from the "We're gonna beat the hell out of you" to "Your momma's a dyke!". Funny how that all changed after Lew became the AD.

I'm not saying that the students shouldn't have fun at the game. I just think that particular chant is in bad taste and that it ought to be replaced. If you were in my situation, I'm sure you'd feel the same way. In these situations, the alumni usually win.

Perhaps. Again, I won't defend the classiness of the chant nor the maturity of it.

However, I will argue against what seems to be your "right" not to be offended by things said at an event you freely chose to go to. Don't expect everyone to behave how you parent your household.

What do you folks honestly expect in the bible belt? This wouldn't happen at one of them queer'd up universities out west.

Braincase, if your kids have ever ridden a public school bus, they've heard far worse than anything you'll hear at a college football game.

Bunch of slack jawed bundle of stickss around here.

I first saw a naked woman on a public school bus.

Not an issue. Kids are within walking distance to elementary and junior high. By the time they hit high school, they'll be old enough for learner's permits, and my wife can always drop them off on the way to KU.

Guys, my kids have heard the words. They know what cuss words are, and they talk about the kids at schools that use bad language. Like I said, my kids are smart. We talk about it, and they know that my wife and I don't use that kind of language (around them), and that it's not acceptable.

Foul language is foul language for a reason. It's there, but just because they exist it doesn't mean you MUST use them. You talk about "freedom of speech", but that's a crock of it - there is nothing than can be expressed with cursing that can't be expressed without cursing. If you don't believe that, that's an issue with your own intellectual limitations and lack of linguistic creativity.

Likewise, it's completely arbitrary that they are "foul" in the first place. COMPLETELY ARBITRARY.

Braincase's brainwashed kids remind of a dipshit I knew as a youth. His name was Donovan Reed. He was a real grade-A dipshit. We went to the same high school together. Occasionally, at school, I'd drop an F-bomb or a random cuss. I don't even remember at this point.

But I'm sure Donovan does. That's because he actually went to his daddy and told on me. Yep, he went and tattled on poor little 15-year old Claythan. I had been cussing at school, and someone in our congregation was going to know, dammit!

So he told his daddy, who was a "ministerial servant" at our Jemimah's Witnesses church. His daddy had the gall to come up to me at the next meeting and ask me about my horrible transgressions at school.

Being a spineless pussy raised in the grand old Jemimah's Witness tradition, I of course lied and told him no, I had not been swearing. Looking back, if I had possessed an ounce of backbone or self-respect, I would have told Donovan's dad that yes, I swore like a ****ing sailor at school, and if he didn't like it, he could kiss my devil-worshipping ass. And also, that it was none of his ****ing business since he was a glorified magazine-stand clerk/audio slave.

Anyway, good times.

LMAO

Let it all out, Clay. Consider it therapy.

Social mores define the obscene. In one African community, the words you and I might look at as being obscene are the term even their doctors use to discuss medical maladies - the proper medical terms (that are accepted as part of any human sexuality class in the states) are the terms that define their foul language.

But if some 4 year old nephew came up to you and asked you where babies came from, I doubt you'd say "Well, your dad stuck his **** in your mommy's ****, and he ****ed her pretty good. He shot his *** and the little sperms fertilized the egg."

There are some words we can explain to kids pretty easily. "Crap" and it's variants are pretty easy, because we all become aware of feces at a pretty young age, like around 0. "Damn", "hell" and "ass" aren't too bad. Once we start breaking into any organ or term involved in the reproductive process, things can get complicated. I don't need to explain that stuff to a seven year-old, so I'd rather wait until a more appropriate time.

I am going to the family section and going to scream out cuss words. When I am getting escorted out I am going to yell FREEDOM'S NOT FREEEEEEEEEEEEE

You should focus on having your columns read like the above post. Seriously. It has a distinctive voice and is fun. You could do the same thing in your other work, sans the f-bombs.

I had no idea Braincase had such a stick up his ass.

****ing 'Penz Wallace.

DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!!!!

Standing up for what I believe in. A true maverick

I'll drink to that.

Nut hooks = FREEEEEEEEDOOOmmmmmmmmmm.....

It's a fundamental difference.

When you have kids of your own, you'll understand. Until then, you just look pretty ignorant.

And I'm standing up for what I believe in. Responsible paternity.

Local Man gets kicked out of Family section for cheering his favorite fight song. The chant..which includes a four letter word has been outlawed. Demonpenz Mcdemon was escorted out when he begain his chant soon after the first kick off. Security had a tough time getting the handcuffs around his jean shorts that had various chains around it. After the altercation was over the man's Anthrax shirt was ripped and a loud. FREEDOM'S NOT FREE! could be heard in the distance. No word yet if the man recieved his "poison...look what the cat dragged in" Tape that police took from him

ROFL

I took my boys to a game a couple weeks ago. We were in the family zone. We couldn't make out what they were saying from where we were sitting. Of course, I already knew what they chant but I did not share that with the youngsters.

Don't use the F word
 

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He ****in' better have.

Freedom aint free. :deevee:

Who gives a rat's ass what Goatse thinks about this? I doubt he will ever attend a KU football game.

I will say I'd much rather we do away with the Booing of the team coming out and the "bullshit" chant.

The first one is just stupid, unless, of course, it's your rival. The second is stupid because 99% of the time it's on a call that was OBVIOUS and we just don't like the refs calling a BLATANT flag on us.