Im with you.

Sentimentally, yeah, he's worth more to us than anyone else.

But he's physically worth WAY more to a team that could very realistically be hoisting their 2nd straight Lombardi Trophy come February 2009.

You can't give him away, but if someone makes a solid offer, it's what's best for the future of the franchise, IMO.

What has a better chance of happening:

a) Tony Gonzalez helping this team win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years?

b) The draft pick we received as compensation helping this team win a Super Bowl in the next 5-10 years?

I know, both are longshots. But option A has ZERO chance of happening.

A #1 or a 2 and a 4. Anything else is reeruned especially from the Giants since the 1st rounder will be like a 2nd...

Dave

If Gonzalez contract was almost up, you might have a point.

Worth in what sense?

From a wins and losses perspective, I don't think he makes a damn bit of difference. This team sucks. If it's 4-12 with Gonzo or 2-14 without him, I'd take the latter because it means we're closer to getting rid of the clowns in charge AND we're getting (or should be getting) better players in the draft.

He's going to play at a high level for 2 maybe 3 more years, assuming he doesn't get injured. Will this team compete at a high level during this period? His contract length doesn't matter.

This is one of the few times where I'd support a deal even if we don't necessarily get fair market value. And that's purely because Tony has put in the work and deserves a chance to play for a winner.

Now the more we could gash a team of draft picks the better but I'm in support of the deal.

Unless a team gives up way too much value, then **** that. More than likely a team wouldn't give more than a 2nd and Tony is worth more on the field than a 2nd.

As far as "Tony deserves better" - bullshit. He signed a contract to stay here and is making a boatload of money.

Well, I'm not really into playing for draft position. If you are, I guess that's okay. Croyle, or whoever the Chiefs draft at QB next year won't be thanking Carl for this deal.

I understand where everyone's coming from who claims that Tony "deserves" to play for a winner.

But **** that. I deserve to cheer for a ****ing winner, too. Hope in one hand, shit in the other...

All I'm talking about is what's best for the franchise in the long term. I want to win as much as anyone, but this team is just not set to compete right now, for a number of different reasons.

I think just b/c the Giants got a 2nd and 5th for Shockey, and are making a run at another SB, the ball is in the Chiefs court. It should either be the 2nd and 5th that they got for Shockey(apparently he, who produces less even now, was worth that), or the 2nd at least. Giants would still make out good, and have essentially a free 5th rounder.

Tony is also due for a large injury

I get you, but what is Tony going to do in his last few years here? We wont be anywhere near good by the time the game has passed him by. Let get something of value for him while we still can, and the byproduct of that is allowing Tony a chance at a ring.

I would want Gonzo to get a ring, no question. But, if he goes, I'll never forgive Herm Edwards.

FAX

If you scroll down in that article it also mentions Derek Anderson to the Chiefs, knowing our luck we'd flip that 2nd and 5th for him

:shake:

We're on the same side. If a good offer is on the table, it would be stupid not to take it because our winner is a year or two down the road, when Gonzo isn't going to be the player he is today.

**** that :cuss: Let's use the pick in the draft!! We can pick up a pretty decent QB, and even a decent O-Lineman, or DE. Don't spend picks on a freaking QB that is about to lose his starting position on a team that went 10-6 just last year. He is one of the main reasons the Browns are 1-4 right now.

That would be classic Carl. The true F U to the fans on the way out the door.

WHERE THE **** ARE THOSE NAILS?

I hope Tony gets his much deserved Super Bowl trophy. Whoever we trade him to (hopefully we trade him) I will be rooting for them to win it all this year.

Hopefully Tony is demanding to be traded quietly in the background, Carl doesn't work with him and he goes public.or just sits out. If if Herm is fired this off season all Carl is going to do is find a another person he likes as opposed to the best available coach.

**** that cock sucker Peterson, he has to go.

On the bright side if TG is traded to the Giants I'll actually watch a football game this year and probably have a desire to buy tickets. It would be nice to root for a winner.

A rebuild by competent officials should only take 3 years max.

You mean to tell me that TG couldn't play @ a high level just 2 years from now if it meant a real run @ the super bowl ??

Oh wait, I said a rebuild by competent officials. In reality TG would have to be in tip top shape 7 or 8 years from now.......

Damn, Herm and Carl are gonna cost us Tony. :cuss:

Im banking Coffman getting drafted by KC if we can get that extra 2nd rounder.

If Sr. Gonzalez is traded, do the Chiefs get to stay in the NFL?

Just barely, primarily because of the win against the Donks. Oh wait, is that your team? :D

We have other needs besides TE, we also drafted two TE's last year...

Coffman is a beast, always take best player available, which = shit for us

Exactly.

Honestly? As much as I'm so glad we've had him, I've felt for a while now that Tony is in large part why we haven't ever been able to develop a strong receiving core.

With Tony gone, outside of D Bowe the QBs will have no other choice but to throw the ball over to the other side where I'll bet some one emerges.

Anyways, that's besides the point. Tony's value will never again be higher than it is now. This team isn't going anywhere. It makes sense to deal him.

We don't throw to anyone but Bowe or RB's anyways.

I wonder how Clark Hunt would feel about Tony being moved off this roster?

If that expedites the firing of Peterson/Edwards and their merry band of idiots I'd take it.

Ah you're right. Who was I kidding? :doh!:

Since you asked. The best teams don't sign aging stars to huge contracts. But this organization certainly doesn't qualify as "best" anything.

WTF are you serious? :eek: If anything having TonyG is the reason why Kennison was so productive......why Boerigtor was good while he played and so on.

He took defeners away from other people.

If it's for a high enough pick, I'm all for it.

That's exactly right.

Word on the street is Croyle will try to get the ball to Will Franklin more though...

Yeah. I follow the 4-1 Broncos.

Enjoy Carl and Herm getting off the hook with that win. It was worth the loss. :D

First Kris Wilson...now this?

Excellent point.

We've relied so heavily on him that having competent #2 and #3 Receivers has been deemed unnecessary.

Another reason why they should all be pinkslipped.

How ****ing depressing is this ****ing team? Good Lord.

The Chiefs could have a hard time selling jerseys with this Logan's Run philosophy....

:BLVD:

Well, we just scored 0 points with him last week, so it's not like we can score negative points without him.

TG has held back the development of our WRs?

Please remove the neuron inhibitor prior to posting.

FAX

Hell, who else is good on this team? LJ? Waters? Let's get rid of them all!!!!

FAX

The Chiefs are something like the Dow Jones Industrial Average of the NFL.

Y'know? That may not be true. The Dow will inevitably rise again.

**** these assholes trading anyone. Get the hell out of town. Let the next regime decide what to do with our marquee players.

does this mean I have to put my MCFarlane figure away?

Kill yourself. /Hamas/

Hopefully we get a 2nd and a 5th..

Disposable Chiefs jerseys.... Discount price! Jersey evaporates after the season is over making for hands free clean up! And good for the environment. Call now.

It's on my list.

My list is pretty long.

If you could ship some antifreeze to a P.O. box, we might get on the same page.

I'd send some of my stock, but, if your joke about Herm and Carl proves true, I'm afraid I'll be needing it.

How pissed would LJ be if this trade went down? HE is the one that wants to be in New York, rollin with Jay-Z and livin' the life.

Hell with it. Trade them both to the Giants.

Herm I hate you...

IF it is to a Super Bowl contender it better be their 1st.. The giants would probably net us 28-32nd in the 1st round..

Really?? I thought we do not throw to those guys because they have always sucked ass, run the wrong routes, bad hands or no separation..

The fact that they're even shopping him tells you all you need to know about what they think of Croyle.
If they thought Croyle could develop into a quality starting QB they'd want Tony there for him to throw to this year. They're pretty much done evaulating him.
This tells me they've given up on Croyle, they don't care what happens to him this year, if he keeps getting the snot kicked out of him that's fine. They're trying to accumulate as many draft picks as they can in case they like a QB and want to move up to get him.

Really? They are shopping him?

Looks to me like they are TAKING calls, not making them...

Yeah, they're sitting by and waiting for the phone to ring. That's PR. If he wasn't being made available nobdoy would be calling.

You goat fans have taught me a valuable life lesson, Mr. ClevelandBronco.

Not everyone kicks you while you're down.

Some people wait until you try to get up first.

FAX

I think you're oversimplifying.

Having such an uber-productive Tight End, in my humble opinion, has made having reliable #2's and #3's less important to Chiefs Brass. He's been like a #1 so drafting or signing a big-time FA Receiver wasn't as vital to the success of our offenses over the years.

If he played for a good team, I'd agree with you.

No one would be calling, because it makes no sense to move him.

Are you not seeing the connection between all these players that are rumored to be dealt?

Gonzalez, Roy Williams, TJ, Leonard Little.

All play on terrible teams.



Christ, the same rule applies even in fantasy football.

The guy with the strong team is trying to rape the weak team by offering depth for a superstar - knowing the guy is desperate - and the weak owner knowing the trade would be good for him long term - he almost has to take it.

I can't believe some of you guys can be so cavalier about trading Gonzo. Other than DT, he's the best player we've had in the last 40 years. And now, because the franchise has screwed things to such an extent, he'll retire in a different uniform. If this isn't justification for a complete fan revolt, I don't know what is.

FAX

Ah. I can see that point, Mr. Micjones. I thought you meant Gonzo held back our WR corps "developmentally". My oopsies if I misinterpreted your intent.

If your post was solely in regard to drafting, I have to agree with you.

FAX

IMHO...It's a win/win for everyone involved.

Even if it is the other team initiating the call, the impression I get is that the Chiefs are at the minumum, interested. Assuming that (which I do, that's my opinion- you can differ on that) the Chiefs aren't worried about TG being there for Croyle. If they're not worried about him being there for Croyle then they're not really worried about this alleged "evaluation" they're doing.
If they really wanted to see what he could do, and they really believed he was good they'd want TG there.
I think they've given up on him for their future plans (other than maybe a long term backup).

It seems to happen so often, Mr. Fax, that I'm indifferent to the retiring in a different jersey thing. If Montana can wear #19, I'd say Gonzo, maybe the best TE in history, could wear a blue #84, or whatever.

He'll go into the Hall as a Chief. At least I'd hope...not doing this would be completely goofed up.

The idea of it is definitely disheartening. To say the very least.

I can't take credit for that point (though I do agree whole-heartedly).
Suds79 deserves the credit.

I agree Fax and I am shocked that possible CP is even thinking about this.

I don't see the big deal. It reminds me of when the Bruins traded Ray Bourque. He was a Hall of Fame type player, he was the face of the franchise, he was beloved in Boston when they traded him to the Avalanche. Then he won the Stanley Cup. For the most part Bruins fans were happy for him. There was no real animosity.
I'm not from here, and I'm not a lifelong Chiefs fan so I can't totally relate but I don't see the big deal.

Why would they need to move up to get anyone?

The Rams, Lions, and Bengals are bad, real bad.

The Eagles have just lost their RB. They need to call us about LJ, not TG.

You wouldn't think so,but trust me Herm will find a way.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. If the front office is indeed looking to move TG, my guess is that it's because they've realized how far this team needs to go, as a whole, to be competitive. At absolute best, the Chiefs are 2 years from competing for a playoff spot, most likely longer. TG will offer little value by the time that happens, so if they can get good value that will help the team more long term, they'll take it.

I'd hate to see TG leave, but if it does happen, I hope he goes to a team with a legit shot at a championship.

Maybe the rams, but the bungholes have Palmer and they have needs on the other side of the ball. come to think of it we do also.

LJ doesn't really fit the Philly offense - he's vastly different than Westbrook and Buckhalter, and how they like to use their backs...